Thats all good imo, tanks should be able to play all tanks at least a bit. Im personally excited for these changes.
Like it or not, DPS players are at least 60% of the playerbase, maybe more. And the huge chunk of tank/support players actually want to DPS but not doing it because of queue times (or doing it as the “off-tank” or support).
2 tanks requirement is a bottleneck and the main reason the game is bleeding players. No matter how strong you make tanks (double barrier meta), no matter if you make new tanks (Orisa, Sigma, Ball), no matter how you try to bribe players into tanking (lootboxes, priority tickets) the vast majority of players do not like and do not want to tank. You just can’t expect 1/3rd of the players to enjoy tanking in a videogame.
And you are stuck in 5v6 mentality because you are not seeing that only 5 players on the enemy team is a huge relief from pressure on the tank and supports, that having 8 tanks designed for solo tanking is more choice than 4, that almost any meta in OW happened because of broken tank synergy and that almost every hero is going to be changed anyway when OW2 launches.
The goal is to ‘shut up’ those who think we all care that they are quitting the game, or not gonna buy OW2, or not gonna play tank anymore. No one cares. You’re allowed to not like something, but if you wanna be dramatic and quit over it then there’s the door.
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I’m not exactly looking forward to 5v5, but I’ll wait and see. If it’s not my preference I just won’t play OW2 anymore after giving it a fair shot. Pretty simple.
Players are delusional to think there’s a chance 5v5 isn’t here to stay in the core experience. If you don’t like the idea, that cool, but they aren’t changing it in development.
Gotta shut up all this negative sentiment before it cracks the thin facade I call my ego…
The unhappy will always complain and there’ll always be unhappiness in Overwatch.
It’s best not to fight it with more negatively or you’ll end up feeding it.
Compassion, understanding, and acting like you do care is a good first step.
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up until double barrier meta was decided by healer synergies.
This mentality that tanks are the only problem in ow right now is a toxic idea brought forward by idiots who don’t understand tanking and thinks barrier were a problem before sigma. Remove sigma’s shield and suddenly all the “toxic” tank synergies are gone.
And the pressure on the lone tank isnt just about facing 6 or 5 players, you ignore everything else about the part of carrying an entire role alone.
Also you think people will accept half the role being reworked cause of “more choice”.
Honestly i’m tired of arguing with people who have no clue what tanking means and how no matter how you slice it at least half the tank playerbase gets shafted cause blizzaed can’t be asked to do their job
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Amazes me how absolute some can be, based on absolutely nothing at all. No it won’t automatically be trash, just because someone think it will be.
It is as simple as we just have to wait and see. Voice the concerns that’s fine, they might learn of it. But stating it WILL be trash, that’s just pure nonesense.
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yeah, but that doesn’t mean we have no right to voice our opinions because people with fragile egos can’t stand the idea of people having passionate responses to such a radical change. Tank mains are already a minority who’s voice is silenced by other people that think they can tell us what to feel like cause they are more.
except… knowing what the role plays like, the stuff blizzard tried in expc, the way they talk in interviews and… well, blizzard being blizzard.
Stop acting as if we have absolutely nothing to go on… and most of my point are about things that go beyond balance, one of my point specifically is how the entire tank roster will be reworked, something that will shaft many people right then and there no matter what.
casually this is the one point everyone seems to forget and think we’re all just insane and going off of nothing.
The game has boiled down to who has the better tanks for pretty much the entirety of its life.
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and that will get even worse with 122.
and most metas were decided by healer synergy. Goats was a triple healer comp
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You don’t, sorry but that’s the simple truth of the matter. What the roll plays like will be changed as they’ve already said they move away from tank to a brawler type instead, what they tried on Experimental isn’t representative for OW2 because there’s too much rebalance needed to even go on Experimental. And while Blizzard being Blizzard, we still don’t know how that will affect it all.
What we do know is that they are rebalancing tanks to be brawlers. How they will rework DPSers and supports, and how that will affect tanks, we don’t know. In other words we have no idea generally speaking how this will work out, based on what information we have now. Simple as that.
Most metas have been decided by the tanks. The supports and DPS are just picked to complement the tanks. GOATS was the result of a strong synergy between the tanks and supports that allowed them to steamroll most other comps. Both tanks and supports were equally to blame for GOATS.
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good god you proved me right immediately. You didn’t even attempt to read my post.
What the balance will be like doesn’t change that most tanks will be reworked. It doesn’t change that the pressure on the lone tank will be enormous. It doesn’t change the fact that the depth of the role will be lower.
Now, do you have actual counter opinions or are you going to repeat “shut up” like a broken record again.
quad tank existed because of ana+lucio being absolutely insane. Dive was a complete synergy of many characters, but it ended up being defeated by brig.
Goats was pretty much thanks to brig alone killing sustain dps and dive. Double sniper was double sniper.
The first meta that truly was tank driven was original bunker, then they put sigma, an off tank with a barrier better than orisa’s and all hell went lose
And that’s where the balance comes in, we don’t know. All heroes will be adjusted and balanced around 5v5. Also if you can’t handle differences in opinions then a public forum isn’t for you.
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did… did you even read my post? cause i believe you didn’t.
i literally explained my issues that have NOTHING to do with balance. I said i don’t like having the entire role reworked.
Your answer is that i don’t know what the balance will be like and that heroes will be reworked for 5v5. I can’t tell if you’re trying to derail discussion for god knows what agenda or you struggle with reading comprehension… and i can’t tell which is worse
Yes I did, and my counter argument is that it will all be based on how the balance works out. Your entire premise on hating 5 v 5 isn’t based on actualities, therefore we can’t determin one way or the other how this will pan out. You argue out of certainty, on things we don’t know.
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how many times do i have to say “this is what i think will be a problem REGARDLESS of balance” before you stop repeating “just wait for the balance”?
Ok imagine being an adult playing hide and seek with a class of 6 grades. But like in your 60s you have advantages sure but this game is built for them.
ok Let me spell it out in simple terms; I disagree. Got it? Why do I disagree? Because I think balance will be imperative to how the change works out. How the tank roll feels and plays when balance is done, has everything to do with balance.
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and how does that respond to my non balance concerns? Or do you think balance can solve the fact that most people aren’t keen on their entire role reworked?
Tanks will be reworked, that’s an objective fact. You honestly think this isn’t reason enough to complain for most tank mains?
But yeah, gotta wait for balance, bet that will somehow solve people not liking the idea of reworks.
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