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[VenusArmani-1354]

It’s like watching your neighbor let his dog defecate on the sidewalk and just leave it there. It

This isn’t a fact.

I don’t really count sitting in one spot and throwing bullets to be doing something.

This isn’t either.

[BastionBabǝ-1672]

Just ignore him. He baited us all because he temped the explanation of rule #4.

He has no facts.
He has no playtime.
He has nothing new to bring to the table.
His only driving factor is that he hates the hero. Nothing is going to change an ignorant view like that.

And now he’s trolling. Flag, and start discussing other things related to Bastion.

[SerSalty-1846]

This isn’t a fact.

It’s a fact about how I feel. Would it make you feel better to say that heroes who don’t even use their movement controls while using their signature abilities require significantly less mechanical skill?

[TREB-21513]

And to maximize value on Bastion he generally has to reposition quite a bit and try his best to manage that weakness through game sense and positioning.

Bingo.

Everyone just has this idea that bastion is stuck where he is like a Torb turret and haven’t gone through the option tree.

Bastion can go from sentry to recon in 0.5 sec, that’s quite quick, Bastion has options to disengage. Some of those options could be improved but too many people just throw up their hands an decree it’s impossible, as if there’s no way any part of Bastion’s kit could be altered to facilitate a disengage.

[SerSalty-1846]

Bastion can go from sentry to recon in 0.5 sec, that’s quite quick, Bastion has options to disengage. Some of those options could be improved but too many people just throw up their hands an decree it’s impossible, as if there’s no way any part of Bastion’s kit could be altered to facilitate a disengage.

I’m cool if we give him the ability to disengage along with a damage nerf.

[TREB-21513]

It’s a fact about how I feel.

Yeah, that’s what Bae said:

His only driving factor is that he hates the hero.

And that’s precisely the problem.

Would it make you feel better to say that heroes who don’t even use their movement controls while using their signature abilities require significantly less mechanical skill?

No.

Because it’s just another baseless accusation, why could there be no other mechanical skill equivalent to A+D strafing?

[Beep-21505]

The one change I want the most - GIVE BASTION A GOLD TANK CANNON

[TREB-21513]

I’m cool if we give him the ability to disengage along with a damage nerf.

Why should anyone indulge your baseless demand for punitive measures against a hero you obviously are biased against?

Your own logic defeats the reason for a damage nerf.

And don’t think anyone is falling for your “give him the ability” as if Bastion mains don’t routinely disengage already.

[SerSalty-1846]

Because it’s just another baseless accusation, why could there be no other mechanical skill equivalent to A+D strafing?

Because the only other thing he does is hold M1, require less tracking skill than any other hero in the game because of his spread and high ROF, and occasionally heal himself. This is really simple stuff.

[SerSalty-1846]

And don’t think anyone is falling for your “give him the ability” as if Bastion mains don’t routinely disengage already.

Dude this was based on your own verbiage lol

“…as if there’s no way any part of Bastion’s kit could be altered to facilitate a disengage.”

Why would it need to be altered if they can already disengage?

[TREB-21513]

Why won’t you answer my question? Why are you trying to act like I didn’t clearly ask you to say why there could be no other mechanical skill?

Not that A+D strafing is much of a mechanical “skill”.

Dude this was based on your own verbiage lol

The “verbiage” was the same but the meaning what purposefully distorted by you.

Why would it need to be altered if they can already disengage?

To facilitate it.

Dictionary result for facilitate

/fəˈsɪlɪteɪt/
verb

1. make (an action or process) easy or easier.

[SerSalty-1846]

Well I already explained that first part, so I guess you can scroll up for the answer about mechanical skill. I’m also aware of what facilitate means. Why would it need to be altered if he already disengages, unless you’re implying he needs to disengage better, which circles back around to what I originally said about giving him the ability to do that in exchange for sacrificing some damage.

[VenusArmani-1354]

Your feelings aren’t facts, so the whole “no hate, just facts” thing isn’t true.

[SerSalty-1846]

Your feelings aren’t facts, so the whole “no hate, just facts” thing isn’t true.

You’re really hinging on one thing I said about dog walkers and actually ignoring everything else I’ve said. Bastion is a poor concept, reasons for such are stated in facts up and down this wall.

[ChibiFox-11511]

@SerSalty-1846

Bastion is a poor concept, reasons for such are stated in facts up and down this wall.

Name checks out…

Answer me this one simple question.

If the hero is such a poor concept, who do you not only keep playing heroes he directly counters, but honestly why do you feel the need to continue any conversation about said hero in a thread designed for those who play said hero?

Oh yea… attention.

Btw…

[SerSalty-1846]

If the hero is such a poor concept, who do you not only keep playing heroes he directly counters, but honestly why do you feel the need to continue any conversation about said hero in a thread designed for those who play said hero?

I play the heroes I have fun on and win a generous majority of my games. I’m here because, well, it’s an open forum. Welcome.

Also, that was two questions, but I answered the second as a bonus.

[TREB-21513]

so I guess you can scroll up for the answer about mechanical skill.

You never explained why. An accusation is not an explanation.

Why would it need to be altered if he already disengages, unless you’re implying he needs to disengage better

Yes, OF COURSE I’m implying he needs to disengage better!

He does have a sub-1% pick rate, this is a hero who needs to be better and this is an aspect where he should be made better.

NOT as you previously implied of just make him have such good ability to passively resist damage (from high health or whatever) he’d never be dissuaded from continuing shooting.

which circles back around to what I originally said about giving him the ability to do that in exchange for sacrificing some damage.

Disengaging is dropping his sentry damage to 0% as he obviously wouldn’t be shooting in sentry because he’s switched to recon mode or by another means I’ll get to later.

Wanting a damage nerf on top of Bastions disengaging more is not only transparently punitive and self-serving but is obviously the last thing you want if you want to maintain against GOATS-esque comps

(not a strict GOATS comp but the general scourge of compositions far to saturated in tanks and healers)

[Kristal-11786]

Who the heck is Baptise?

[VenusArmani-1354]

Bastion is not a poor concept just because you hate that he gets value while stationary. That stationary nature is actually a massive drawback

[ChibiFox-11511]

I play the heroes I have fun on and win a generous majority of my games. I’m here because, well, it’s an open forum. Welcome.

Ah, what a comeback.

If it’s such an open forum, then would you kindly take your repetitive useless ramblings elsewhere?

I see a lot of “openness” for you to go explore.

Also this is genuinely non productive, and the mods simply do not care for that kind of discussion.