Maybe don’t design a hero that just straight up can’t be reasonably damaged whatsoever by almost every single hero in the game. There’s a reason ‘but Pharah/Pharmercy’ is always the go-to easy retort when it comes to people not swapping. The real problem is infinite flight.
running 3 dps is fine lmao
I disagree. It could easily mean their team isn’t supporting them, which is often the case.
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But there’s a point where you have to take matters in your own hands.
If you keep dying because your team isn’t supporting you, then swap to a more self-reliant hero to make up for it.
You can’t always just run in, die, and blame your team when you did literally nothing about it.
Why do you even play competitive solo queue if you can’t play every role? Seriously… there are 3 roles in this game. How hard is it to learn a hero or two in each role? It’s not always throwing but it sure as hell isn’t going to help you climb.
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If you are on Comp, it is if you aren’t helping the team in any way and instead, hindering them by constantly dying or not doing much damage. Example: Widow by missing every shot and not landing one for 25 minutes. This is easy to understand. Within that 25 minutes, you could have been a DPS/Support/Tank(I recommend Tank or Support because most lack these) that could do damage, heal or other things.
You can ask to swap, but it’s their decision if they do. It goes by how badly the team is getting wrecked on comp. Not being a “team player” is reportable because that means you are in it for yourself and that’s not what comp is about.
It should MANDATORY for people to learn one Tank and one support if you go on Comp. Out of a roster of almost 30 heroes, you only play like 2? Please. That is a terrible excuse. It’s one thing to try and I commend them on that, if they can’ do it, switch back to DPS then and do your thing. If you don’t try, you won’t know what you can do. I give credit to people who only know DPS, try just for the heck of it, and if they can’t ok you tried my dude. I had a player who literally never ran support, ever. He tried Lucio and did excellent leading us to victory. He said he was going to try him more. So yeah, that logic isn’t really true so in ways, you still are “throwing” if you don’t try.
You don’t want to help the team? Play QP or Arcade mode.
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The issue I have is when there’s 5 DPS and I have to choose between healer and tank (I go Moira in this case).
And then nobody will swap to tank and I can’t because I’m healing.
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Exactly. More people play DPS because it’s easier, but that doesn’t make it ok. This game clearly needs Support as the main Backbone, and Tanks to help take some damage and do it. People who pick just DPS, keep dying, and we need another tank or healer truly are not helping and are being selfish. Then they complain “We need a healer” Yeah, switch to one and you’ll get one genius since I am already being a support. Play the role to help them team not yourself you know? People with this mindset don’t know how to play with others.
When people say “I don’t play as that” is an excuse to not play that hero because they are too selfish and lazy to try and to learn other heroes and expect you to fill it in.
They should at LEAST try for the teams sake if it comes down to it.
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I’m totally ok with swapping. It’s such a mystery why people have to be so hell-bent on staying a hero that obviously isn’t working.
The only issues I run into are when I need to flex and the specific hero that’s needed is one I don’t actually play.
I can Play Orisa, Zarya, and Roadhog well. I am terrible with Winston, D.Va, and Reinhardt.
DPS I can flex to are McCree, Soldier, Sombra, Mei, Genji, Tracer, Reaper, Doomfist (sometimes. Depends how confident I’m feeling), Pharah, and Bastion, but if the team needed Junkrat, Hanzo, or Widow, for example, I’d be screwed.
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If you’re on DPS, and you have 0 hours on Rein, Zarya, Dva, Winston, Hammond, Orisa, Hog, Brig, Ana, Zen, Lucio, Mercy and Moira, you’re throwing just by queueing for comp.
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I agree and that’s great! You are willing to cooperate to help the team. You already are a team player. Nothing wrong there. They don’t want to switch because they think they are the “best” with that hero when in reality, they aren’t since the team is loosing and needs something else. It’s just being selfish. It’s not helping the team not matter what if you are loosing. Winning? YEAH! Stay as that hero! Loosing? They refuse to change and want others too. I flex and when i don’t see others doing so on Comp when we clearly need another healer and they don’t? It’s throwing. I ask nicely all of the time too, but nope. They are ignorant.
That’s fine! At least you know a tank or two! That alone makes you eons ahead of people who don’t want to switch and makes you more valuable team mate wise.
It makes me laugh though because the people complaining that it’s not “throwing” if they don’t switch should be on LFG so they play as that specific category and not random on Comp. Common sense but nope.
My issue is that when loosing, people should automatically take action to find what the issue is, 90% of the time, it’s too many DPS or someone isn’t doing good with said hero and needs to try something else. Already in hot water, might as well try something else. TRY is the word they don’t understand.
It’s as if they don’t know what LFG is?
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Because of the “I’m not doing it because I am entitled to play how I want and I don’t care for the team whether we loose or not” excuse.
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If you play competive you should really atleast learn 2 roles. Even if you are a one trick. I suck at dps but am pretty solid at tank and support.
If I get into a game and we need a dps. I will tell my team “hey guys I’m not good at good at dps but I’m willing to switch to whatever tank or support we need”
I have never had a problem from it. Because I have flexibility to work with my team from learning two roles.
I feel like that’s a fair compromise
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Having very few hours on a hero is a poor excuse not to switch. I never play Zarya but I played her last night in a comp game and was on fire with full charge almost the entire attack round.
You’re right that one individual refusing to switch is not throwing - the team should not be asking an individual to switch, but rather everyone in that role. If a lone DPS player is being asked to switch and refuses, it’s not all on him. That sort of singling out is definitely bullying, and is unacceptable. If the other two also don’t switch because they feel entitled just because they’re playing well, that game will most likely be a loss, and that loss was a collective effort on the part of all three of them deciding to not provide a needed tank or healer.
I would never tell someone they should swap heroes within their role - so long as the role is filled, the hero they do it with is their prerogative - nor a specific person to swap roles, but telling the entire category “one of you please switch or we will lose” is just a solid, fact-based request, and fair game - just don’t deliver it in a toxic manner. If we have a poor role distribution then we’re basically asking the other team to please steamroll us.
If you arn’t going to swap you better make damn sure you pick first. I’ve had enough of this “need a support last pick but they pick dps instead” bull
I had a game of control where we had 2/2/2 and we got rolled on the first point.
So the 2 tanks got tilted and we ended up with 4 DPS and then we rolled them on round 2 and round 3.
There’s something to be seen here about making someone play a hero they don’t play because meta.
I do agree with that, was just making the point that sometimes it’s the team that needs to change, and not the person who keeps dying.
Like if your Ana keeps dying over and over in the backline, it’s more often a lack of peel from the team than the Ana being bad. Of course they could switch, but just because it might be easier to survive on a different hero, doesn’t mean you are going to win 2v1s if your team isn’t helping you and you are being dove.
I take it you’re new to the post. I’m not talking about people in diamond or below. Im talking about 3500+. You can 6 support in plat and win, there’s no argument there.