he was unranked. I assume a first placement. So no MMR what so ever. Place him in mid gold tho. gotta do that - wont ruin anyones game.
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I have one example for you. I am very curious when exactly is that handicapping you belive is activated.
I mean here are my 3 games
ht tps://imgur.com/a/HPeV9Jq
| 1849 | +23 | WIN | 2:1 | Junkertown | Mercy | X | EU |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1877 | +28 | WIN | 1:0 | Blizzard world | Mercy | E.S. | EU |
| 1904 | +27 | WIN | 3:2 | Junkertown | Mercy | X | EU |
As you can see, I had better performance than others playing in elo I was in so, one game where I played normaly I gained +23 SR. Then I played very well, better than others and gained +28 and +27, so should I be handicapped in next match? Try to guess what happened in next match. E.S mean that enemy team had smurf btw.
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Or look at this, 4 stomps in row, why I wasnt handicapped?
| 2061 | +26 | WIN | 1:0 | Dorado | Mercy | X | EU |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2091 | +30 | WIN | 1:0 | Route 66 | Mercy | X | EU |
| 2128 | +37 | WIN | 2:0 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 2166 | +38 | WIN | 3:0 | Eichenwalde | Mercy | X | EU |
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I don’t care about MMR - mmr is unneeded and unwanted (except for placements where Blizzard sould use it’s data for good rather than evil like dumping noobs into the middle of the pack). The point of the data collection was to see if I was out of my mind when I noticed the trends of my team being lower SR than me or not. Turns out I was not and now have some data showing SR/MMR imbalance in action over 200+ games. Might that I was using my not quantifiable skills to rank up hence the my mmr was lower than SR or it was noob carrying time according to blizzards annoying patents…
Can you please react to my 3 previous posts? with me asking for replay codes, and examples of my games 
Thank you.
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Do this over 250 games or some reasonable amount of games so we can rule out flukes, make a google spreadsheet with it on so we can see the trends.
I dont have REPLAY codes for any typical games, so far my games today have been stable.
As for your experience you have yours and when you say your team is ok I believe you.
Here’s a question for you: If it’s all a random mess anyway, what’s the point of MMR?
Rethorical question, of course, as the answer is: “to keep new players paying while sacrificing experienced players match quality”
| 0 | 1311 | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 1343 | +32 | WIN | 1:1 | Numbani | Mercy | E.Leaver | EU |
| 2 | 1311 | -32 | LOSS | 0:2 | Ilios | Mercy | X | EU |
| 3 | 1342 | +31 | WIN | 3:1 | Route 66 | Mercy | X | EU |
| 4 | 1381 | +39 | WIN | 3:1 | Blizzard world | Mercy | X | EU |
| 5 | 1410 | +29 | WIN | 2:0 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 6 | 1436 | +26 | WIN | 1:0 | Kings Row | Mercy | X | EU |
| 7 | 1465 | +31 | WIN | 1:0 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 8 | 1486 | +21 | WIN | 1:0 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 9 | 1513 | +27 | WIN | 1:0 | Junkertown | Mercy | X | EU |
| 10 | 1541 | +27 | WIN | 4:3 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 11 | 1541 | CANCELED | X | 0:0 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy | CANCELED | EU |
| 12 | 1523 | -18 | LOSS | 0:1 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 13 | 1545 | +22 | WIN | 3:0 | Numbani | Mercy | X | EU |
| 14 | 1574 | +29 | WIN | 1:0 | Route 66 | Mercy | X | EU |
| 15 | 1553 | -21 | LOSS | 1:2 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | EU |
| 16 | 1581 | +28 | WIN | 2:0 | Oasis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 17 | 1607 | +26 | WIN | 2:1 | Eichenwalde | Mercy/Zen | X | EU |
| 18 | 1631 | +24 | WIN | 4:3 | Watchpoint:Gibraltar | Mercy | X | EU |
| 19 | 1611 | -20 | LOSS | 2:3 | Route 66 | Mercy | X | EU |
| 20 | 1635 | +24 | WIN | 2:0 | Kings Row | Mercy | X | EU |
| 21 | 1662 | +27 | WIN | 2:1 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 22 | 1648 | -14 | LOSS | 2:3 | Kings Row | Mercy | X | EU |
| 23 | 1628 | -20 | LOSS | 1:3 | Blizzard world | Mercy/Zenyatta | X | EU |
| 24 | 1648 | +20 | WIN | 3:2 | Eichenwalde | Mercy | X | EU |
| 25 | 1626 | -22 | LOSS | 2:3 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 26 | 1604 | -22 | LOSS | 1:2 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 27 | 1630 | +26 | WIN | 3:2 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | EU |
| 28 | 1656 | +26 | WIN | 2:1 | Ilios | Mercy | X | EU |
| 29 | 1680 | +24 | WIN | 4:3 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 30 | 1661 | -19 | LOSS | 1:2 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 31 | 1642 | -21 | LOSS | 0:2 | Oasis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 32 | 1668 | +26 | WIN | 3:0 | Watchpoint:Gibraltar | Mercy | E.L. | EU |
| 33 | 1697 | +29 | WIN | 2:0 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 34 | 1674 | -23 | LOSS | 2:3 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 35 | 1701 | +27 | WIN | 3:0 | Kings Row | Mercy | X | EU |
| 36 | 1688 | -13 | LOSS | 0:2 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy | X | EU |
| 37 | 1710 | +22 | WIN | 2:0 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 38 | 1737 | +27 | WIN | 2:0 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 39 | 1721 | -16 | LOSS | 2:3 | Hanamura | Mercy | L | EU |
| 40 | 1702 | 19 | LOSS | 1:3 | Numbani | Mercy | X | EU |
| 41 | 1678 | -24 | LOSS | 0:2 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 42 | 1655 | -23 | LOSS | 3:4 | Watchpoint:Gibraltar | Mercy | X | EU |
| 43 | 1682 | +27 | WIN | 1:0 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 44 | 1705 | +23 | WIN | 3:0 | Havana | Mercy | E.T. | EU |
| 45 | 1732 | +27 | WIN | 2:1 | Hanamura | Mercy | S | EU |
| 46 | 1764 | +32 | WIN | 2:0 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 47 | 1741 | -23 | LOSS | 0:2 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy/Briggita | X | EU |
| 48 | 1765 | +24 | WIN | 3:1 | Junkertown | Mercy | X | EU |
| 49 | 1788 | +23 | WIN | 4:3 | Dorado | Mercy | X | EU |
| 50 | 1788 | +0 | CANCELED | 0:0 | Kings Row | Mercy | X | EU |
| 51 | 1811 | +23 | WIN | 2:1 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 52 | 1792 | -19 | LOSS | 2:1 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy | X | EU |
| 53 | 1769 | -23 | LOSS | 1:2 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | EU |
| 54 | 1799 | +30 | WIN | 2:1 | Ilios | Mercy | X | EU |
| 55 | 1826 | +27 | WIN | 2:0 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 56 | 1849 | +23 | WIN | 2:1 | Junkertown | Mercy | X | EU |
| 57 | 1877 | +28 | WIN | 1:0 | Blizzard world | Mercy | E.S. | EU |
| 58 | 1904 | +27 | WIN | 3:2 | Junkertown | Mercy | X | EU |
| 59 | 1937 | +34 | WIN | 4:3 | Kings Row | Mercy | S | EU |
| 60 | 1914 | -23 | LOSS | 0:2 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy | T | EU |
| 61 | 1891 | -23 | LOSS | 1:2 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | L | EU |
| 62 | 1916 | +25 | WIN | 2:0 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 63 | 1894 | -22 | LOSS | 0:2 | Oasis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 64 | 1919 | +25 | WIN | 3:2 | Numbani | Mercy | X | EU |
| 65 | 1945 | +26 | WIN | 2:1 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 66 | 1922 | -23 | LOSS | 0:2 | Busan | Mercy | T | EU |
| 67 | 1902 | -16 | LOSS | 1:2 | Watchpoint:Gibraltar | Mercy | E.S. | EU |
| 68 | 1925 | +23 | WIN | 3:1 | Junkertown | Mercy | X | EU |
| 69 | 1906 | -19 | LOSS | 1:0 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 70 | 1933 | +27 | WIN | 1:0 | Blizzard world | Mercy | X | EU |
| 71 | 1914 | -19 | LOSS | 1:2 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 72 | 1936 | +22 | WIN | 2:1 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 73 | 1962 | +26 | WIN | 3:0 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | EU |
| 74 | 1962 | +0 | CANCELED | 0:0 | Kings Row | Mercy | CANCELED | EU |
| 75 | 1988 | +26 | WIN | 2:0 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 76 | 2012 | +24 | WIN | 1:0 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 77 | 2035 | +23 | WIN | 3:2 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 78 | 2061 | +26 | WIN | 1:0 | Dorado | Mercy | X | EU |
| 79 | 2091 | +30 | WIN | 1:0 | Route 66 | Mercy | X | EU |
| 80 | 2128 | +37 | WIN | 2:0 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 81 | 2166 | +38 | WIN | 3:0 | Eichenwalde | Mercy | X | EU |
| 82 | 2203 | +37 | WIN | 2:1 | Junkertown | Mercy/Ana | X | EU |
| 83 | 2179 | -24 | LOSS | 0:2 | Nepal | Mercy | T | EU |
| 84 | 2205 | +26 | WIN | 1:0 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 85 | 2229 | +24 | WIN | 2:1 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 86 | 2253 | +24 | WIN | 2:1 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | EU |
| 87 | 2279 | +26 | WIN | 1:0 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 88 | 2258 | -21 | LOSS | 0:1 | Eichenwalde | Mercy | X | EU |
| 89 | 2236 | -22 | LOSS | 0:1 | Route 66 | Mercy | X | EU |
| 90 | 2212 | -24 | LOSS | 0:2 | Lijiang Tower | Mercy | X | EU |
| 91 | 2189 | -23 | LOSS | 3:4 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 92 | 2164 | -25 | LOSS | 2:3 | Kings Row | Mercy/Zen | E.S. | EU |
| 93 | 2188 | +24 | WIN | 2:0 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 94 | 2188 | CANCELED | X | X | X | X | CANCELED | EU |
| 95 | 2212 | +24 | WIN | 3:2 | Rialto | Mercy | X | EU |
| 96 | 2189 | -23 | LOSS | 0:2 | Oasis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 97 | 2166 | -23 | LOSS | 0:3 | Hollywood | Mery | L | EU |
| 98 | 2166 | CANCELED | X | X | Temple of Anubis | X | CANCELED | EU |
| 99 | 2192 | +26 | WIN | 3:0 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 100 | 2167 | -25 | LOSS | 0:2 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 101 | 2146 | -21 | LOSS | 0:3 | Blizzard world | Mercy | L | EU |
| 102 | 2174 | +28 | WIN | 3:2 | Watchpoint:Gibraltar | Mercy | X | EU |
| 103 | 2201 | +27 | WIN | 3:2 | Numbani | Mercy | X | EU |
| 104 | 2226 | +25 | WIN | 2:0 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 105 | 2202 | -24 | LOSS | 0:2 | Hanamura | Mercy/Zen | X | EU |
| 106 | 2225 | +23 | WIN | 2:1 | Ilios | Mercy | X | EU |
| 107 | 2205 | -20 | LOSS | 2:0 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 108 | 2181 | -24 | LOSS | 1:2 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 109 | 2159 | -22 | LOSS | 4:5 | Havana | Mercy | E.S. | EU |
| 110 | 2139 | -20 | LOSS | 2:3 | Eichenwalde | Mercy | X | EU |
| 111 | 2166 | +27 | WIN | 1:0 | Route 66 | Mercy | X | EU |
| 112 | 2190 | +24 | WIN | 4:3 | Kings Row | Mercy | X | EU |
| 113 | 2168 | -22 | LOSS | 1:2 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 114 | 2191 | +23 | WIN | 3:2 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 115 | 2216 | +25 | WIN | 2:1 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 116 | 2196 | -20 | LOSS | 1:2 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy | X | EU |
| 117 | 2196 | CANCELED | X | X | Rialto | Mercy | CANCELED | EU |
| 118 | 2220 | +24 | WIN | 1:1 | Hanamura | Mercy | S | EU |
| 119 | 2247 | +27 | WIN | 2:1 | Eichenwalde | Mercy | E.S. | EU |
| 120 | 2225 | -22 | LOSS | 2:3 | Dorado | Mercy | X | EU |
| 121 | 2250 | +25 | WIN | 2:1 | Oasis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 122 | 2275 | +25 | WIN | 2:1 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 123 | 2254 | -21 | LOSS | 2:3 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 124 | 2278 | +24 | WIN | 3:2 | Eichenwalde | Mercy | E.L. | EU |
| 125 | 2254 | -24 | LOSS | 1:2 | Dorado | Mercy | X | EU |
| 126 | 2230 | -24 | LOSS | 0:2 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 127 | 2208 | -22 | LOSS | 1:2 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 128 | 2231 | +23 | WIN | 1:0 | Blizzard world | Mercy | X | EU |
| 129 | 2209 | +22 | LOSS | 0:1 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | EU |
| 130 | 2233 | +24 | WIN | 2:1 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 131 | 2212 | -21 | LOSS | 0:2 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 132 | 2229 | +17 | WIN | 3:1 | Dorado | Mercy | X | EU |
| 133 | 2229 | CANCELED | X | X | Junkertown | X | CANCELED | X |
| 134 | 2211 | -18 | LOSS | 1:2 | Ilios | Mercy | X | EU |
| 135 | 2239 | +28 | WIN | 2:0 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy | X | EU |
| 136 | 2265 | +26 | WIN | 3:0 | Dorado | Mercy | E.L. | EU |
| 137 | 2265 | CANCELED | X | X | Rialto | Mercy | CANCELED | EU |
| 138 | 2265 | CANCELED | X | X | Oasis | Mercy | CANCELED | EU |
| 139 | 2244 | -21 | LOSS | 3:4 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 140 | 2223 | -21 | LOSS | 0:2 | Nepal | Mercy | x | EU |
| 141 | 2199 | -24 | LOSS | 0:3 | Numbani | Mercy | E.S. | EU |
| 142 | 2225 | +26 | WIN | 3:2 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 143 | 2202 | -23 | LOSS | 0:2 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 144 | 2226 | +24 | WIN | 3:2 | Watchpoint:Gibraltar | Mercy | X | EU |
| 145 | 2246 | +20 | WIN | 2:1 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 146 | 2224 | -22 | LOSS | 1:2 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 147 | 2253 | +29 | WIN | 2:1 | Eichenwalde | Mercy | X | EU |
| 148 | 2234 | -19 | LOSS | 1:2 | Oasis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 149 | 2260 | +26 | WIN | 2:1 | Dorado | Mercy | X | EU |
| 150 | 2234 | -26 | LOSS | 0:2 | Ilios | Mercy | X | EU |
| 151 | 2213 | -21 | LOSS | 0:2 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 152 | 2213 | +0 | DRAW | 0:0 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 153 | 2233 | +20 | WIN | 2:1 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 154 | 2257 | +24 | WIN | 3:0 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | EU |
| 155 | 2281 | +24 | WIN | 2:1 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 156 | 2306 | +25 | WIN | 3:2 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 157 | 2282 | -24 | LOSS | 1:2 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 158 | 2260 | -22 | LOSS | 1:2 | Hanamura | Mercy | T | EU |
| 159 | 2283 | +23 | WIN | 2:1 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 160 | 2307 | +24 | WIN | 3:2 | Dorado | Mercy | X | EU |
| 161 | 2330 | +23 | WIN | 2:0 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 162 | 2305 | -25 | LOSS | 0:3 | Blizzard world | Mercy | L | EU |
| 163 | 2328 | +23 | WIN | 2:0 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy | X | EU |
| 164 | 2303 | -25 | LOSS | 2:3 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 165 | 2327 | +24 | WIN | 3:2 | Blizzard world | Mercy | X | EU |
| 166 | 2353 | +26 | WIN | 2:1 | Nepal | Mercy | E.S. | EU |
| 167 | 2353 | CANCELED | X | X | Oasis | Mercy | CANCELED | EU |
| 168 | 2378 | +25 | WIN | 1:0 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 169 | 2399 | +21 | WIN | 4:3 | Numbani | Mercy | E.S. | EU |
| 170 | 2378 | -21 | LOSS | 4:5 | Route 66 | Mercy | X | EU |
| 171 | 2358 | -20 | LOSS | 0:2 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 172 | 2383 | +25 | WIN | 1:0 | Junkertown | Mercy | X | EU |
| 173 | 2361 | -22 | LOSS | 0:1 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 174 | 2341 | -20 | LOSS | 0:1 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | EU |
| 175 | 2366 | +25 | WIN | 2:1 | Junkertown | Mercy | X | EU |
| 176 | 2388 | +22 | WIN | 3:2 | Watchpoint:Gibraltar | Mercy/Brigg | X | EU |
| 177 | 2365 | -23 | LOSS | 3:4 | Numbani | Mercy | X | EU |
| 178 | 2339 | -26 | LOSS | 0:1 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 179 | 2364 | +25 | WIN | 2:1 | Dorado | Mercy | X | EU |
| 180 | 2388 | +24 | WIN | 2:1 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy | X | EU |
| 181 | 2411 | +23 | WIN | 3:2 | Blizzard world | Mercy | X | EU |
| 182 | 2435 | +24 | WIN | 3:0 | Kings Row | Mercy | X | EU |
| 183 | 2411 | -24 | LOSS | 0:1 | Watchpoint:Gibraltar | Mercy | X | EU |
| 184 | 2437 | +26 | WIN | 3:2 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | EU |
| 185 | 2437 | +0 | DRAW | 0:0 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 186 | 2413 | -24 | LOSS | 1:2 | Hanamura | Mercy | E.S. | EU |
| 187 | 2413 | +0 | DRAW | 3:3 | Numbani | Mercy | X | EU |
| 188 | 2413 | CANCELED | X | 0:0 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | CANCELED | EU |
| 189 | 2393 | -20 | LOSS | 1:2 | Dorado | Mercy | L | EU |
| 190 | 2416 | +23 | WIN | 3:2 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | EU |
| 191 | 2441 | +25 | WIN | 2:0 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 192 | 2419 | -22 | LOSS | 0:2 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 193 | 2445 | +26 | WIN | 1:0 | Route 66 | Mercy | X | EU |
| 194 | 2470 | +25 | WIN | 2:0 | Oasis | Mercy | L | EU |
| 195 | 2446 | -24 | LOSS | 0:3 | Rialto | Mercy | X | EU |
| 196 | 2469 | +23 | WIN | 1:0 | Blizzard world | Mercy | X | EU |
| 197 | 2595 | +26 | WIN | 2:1 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 198 | 2472 | -23 | LOSS | 4:5 | Kings Row | Mercy | L | EU |
| 199 | 2449 | -23 | LOSS | 1:2 | Dorado | Mercy | X | EU |
| 200 | 2449 | +0 | DRAW | 1:1 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | EU |
| 201 | 2426 | -23 | LOSS | 1:2 | Nepal | Mercy | L | EU |
| 202 | 2404 | -22 | LOSS | 1:2 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | EU |
| 203 | 2430 | -26 | WIN | 4:3 | Rialto | Mercy | X | EU |
| 204 | 2453 | +23 | WIN | 2:1 | Busan | Mercy | E.L. | EU |
| 205 | 2476 | +24 | WIN | 3:0 | Blizzard world | Mercy | X | EU |
| 206 | 2454 | -22 | LOSS | 1:2 | Havana | Mercy | X | EU |
| 207 | 2479 | +24 | WIN | 4:3 | Numbani | Mercy | X | EU |
| 208 | 2456 | -23 | LOSS | 2:3 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 209 | 2478 | +22 | WIN | 4:3 | Watchpoint:Gibraltar | Mercy | E.L. | EU |
| 210 | 2501 | +23 | WIN | 3:1 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | US |
| 211 | 2478 | -23 | LOSS | 3:4 | Rialto | Mercy | X | US |
| 212 | 2501 | +23 | WIN | 3:2 | Hanamura | Mercy | X | US |
| 213 | 2478 | -23 | LOSS | 1:2 | Oasis | Mercy | X | US |
| 214 | 2457 | -21 | LOSS | 0:2 | Nepal | Mercy | X | EU |
| 215 | 2480 | +23 | WIN | 3:2 | Kings Row | Mercy | X | US |
| 216 | 2456 | +24 | LOSS | 0:2 | Nepal | Mercy | X | US |
| 217 | 2433 | -23 | LOSS | 2:3 | Havana | Mercy | X | US |
| 218 | 2409 | -24 | LOSS | 0:1 | Hollywood | Mercy | X | US |
| 219 | 2431 | +22 | WIN | 2:1 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 220 | 2409 | -22 | LOSS | 3:4 | Temple of Anubis | Mercy | X | EU |
| 221 | 2385 | -24 | LOSS | 2:3 | Havana | Mercy | E.S. | EU |
| 222 | 2363 | -22 | LOSS | 1:2 | Ilios | Zenyatta | X | EU |
| 223 | 2387 | +24 | WIN | 3:2 | Eichenwalde | Zenyatta | X | EU |
| 224 | Placement | X | WIN | 3:2 | Kings Row | Mercy | X | US |
| 225 | Placement | X | LOSS | 0:2 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy | X | US |
| 226 | Placement | X | WIN | 3:0 | Numbani | Mercy | E.L. | US |
| 227 | Placement | X | CANCELED | 0:0 | Watchpoint:Gibraltar | Mercy | CANCELED | US |
| 228 | Placement | X | LOSS | 0:2 | Ilios | Mercy | X | EU |
| 229 | Placement | 2380 | WIN | 2:0 | Oasis | Zenyatta | S | EU |
| 230 | 2404 | +24 | WIN | 2:0 | Busan | Mercy | X | EU |
| 231 | 2380 | -24 | LOSS | 0:1 | Numbani | Mercy | E.S. | US |
| 232 | 2357 | -23 | LOSS | 0:2 | Lyjiang Tower | Mercy | X | US |
| 233 | 2357 | +0 | DRAW | 1:2 | Hanamura | Mercy | E.L.+E.S. | US |
| 234 | 2380 | +23 | WIN | 2:0 | Oasis | Mercy/Brigg | X | US |
| 235 | 2403 | +23 | WIN | 3:2 | Kings Row | Mercy | X | US |
| 236 | 2427 | +24 | WIN | 2:1 | Volskaya Industries | Mercy | X | US |
| 237 | 2450 | +23 | WIN | 3:0 | Havana | Mercy | X | US |
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Ok please next time you will play, safe some
To have random mess around your MMR
Masters player will have same randomness and mess too but it will be mess around masters.
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Damn, didn’t know gold was the deep end
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It just so happens that gold is the average rank, and new accounts with few stats to judge tend to be placed in gold games (not enough data to decide whether they should be lower or higher). Does this player being placed on your team rather than the enemy really consistute a forced loss? If this player belongs much lower, then whichever team he is placed on essentially earns a forced loss. This has nothing to do with Blizzard preemptively deciding the outcome of a match, and everything to do with an account which doesn’t have enough data to accurately place.
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what does that mean?
It means you can never really get rid of randomness completely. No matter how accurately you rate someone, everyone is inherently inconsistent. What may have been a close game on paper with everyone having the exact same rating is no longer close just if one person is having a particularly good or bad day.
Even if they only made games based on SR you have the same exact problems that would happen because of that and match quality wouldn’t get any better. At least with MMR you gain more SR for wins and lose less for losses if your rank is lower than it should be according to your performance.
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Random mess is anything not at your exact MMR:)
For example gold player can get occasionaly bronze player in his games, occasional diamond player, other golds, plats, silvers. A lot of different players but close to his MMR still.
If you take masters player, he can get the same but add 3 ranks. Not every games will have players from elo you are in. But generaly speaking majority games will be filled with players at your elo.
Another example of random mess will be leavers, throwers, boosters, cheaters, smurfs.
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Blizzard has set the terms the matchmaker uses to make matches and the choices it makes are their responsibility entirely. This match was decided by having the matchmaker put one known noob on one side and none on the other. doesn’t matter what “could have” happened. this is what it did.
Edit: for instance it could have waited for 20minutes for another noob for the opposition
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The level requirement is too low for competitive, as well as was mentioned that the Gold of yesterday is not the Gold of today. Popping new players into Gold when the game was new was just fine, not so much anymore.
There are MORE maps, MORE heroes, MORE abilities, MORE interactions, and the players are VETERANS. 25 levels is too few to have a familiarity with all the levels, abilities, and interactions of the game. If you go into a competitive mode, you’d better be prepared for it. This is what drives me crazy about people that are resistant to raising the level requirement for competitive. It made sense when the game was released, but it no longer makes sense now.
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True - also maybe start off players a bit lower maybe at the low end of the normal distribution. say 1800SR
Amazing how “Luck” manages to = a 50/50 win loss rate…funny that
That is the whole point of ranks and matchmaking. The goal IS to have 50% win rate. When you have a 50% win rate it means you are where you should be. Because you are playing with and against other players who are equally skilled as you, you will on average win 50% of the games.
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Man I really don’t wanna read all that but what I will say is forced losses don’t exist. If you lost you lost. If you are stuck maybe realize you are playing like everyone else in the rank and learn to improve instead of yelling at your team mates every game.
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This is not a forced loss, but an example of how bad the placements are on fresh accounts. A completely new and clueless player will probably end up in mid to high gold after their placements, and at the same time, ML7, one of the best support players, gets 2600 on a fresh account with 3 wins. That’s only 300SR difference after placements between a completely new player and a long time T500 player. Blizzard has just decided years ago that they’ll just dump everybody between 2300 and 2700 and watch the chaos unfold. That’s why there are such massive differences in skill and game sense between individual gold and plat players.
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