No. I did not hide and let my teammates die

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I literally disabled voice chat because someone wouldn’t shut up about how I should hide and res rather than stay in the fight keeping my teammates alive.

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Yes but I feel those were in the minority compared to game winning second chances. It hurt my soul to deal with every time.

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Different person with the same icon. :wink:

OP was a different user than the one you just replied to lol

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My bad, I thought it was only five. Even so, three rezzes was more common still, although I will admit it gives slightly more evidence to the tempo rez claims. It still isn’t anywhere close enough to prove that tempo rez was more common than huge rez though.

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Then this thread is not about you. I am literally just putting out the data in the hopes this lessens that happening. I am not commenting on the balance of it.

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So it seems lol. Still doesn’t change the fact people did it more than enough.

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I’m not arguing with that. :slight_smile: The person you replied to actually agrees with you as well, so that’s a fun coincidence lol.

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Another one Bamboozled by the Deadlock Gang! :point_left::point_left::cowboy_hat_face:

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I never claimed that was the reason. I am just saying that it was a possibility and I contributed to the problem for that reason. I remember so many Lucio used to camp Lijang market for the floor is lava. On console, going for trophies is legit a reason to throw. It is a more casual crowd and in my experience, hide and rez was relatively common and if the actual stats show that it was a rare achievement, I can only imagine it might have influence the rez meta at least for console. A lot of people are weirded out when I talk about Moira being one of the best healers and I see people dismissing that here. I never really check, but if someone is complaining about her, it could be because of console. Idk. I only have my own experiences to go off of. I do not really care about hide and rez anymore, I am not arguing one way or the other, I just feel it is at least a contributory factor.

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Okay but like if you have some evidence towards it being tempo rez, and no evidence of it being hide besides your own eyes, then you should just believe the one with evidence unless some other fact comes in and shows otherwise.

The only thing most people are going by is that they hated it, which would make them much more likely to misremember how common it was.

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No. That was not what that statement means.

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I agree with the premise that Trophy hunters are problematic.

But we cannot attribute the common occurrence of hide-and-rez to them nor the slew of people screaming at Mercy players for not hiding to that. If I dug around in my old video files from when I was recording during that time (Back when I was in Silver/Gold) I could find plenty of times people yelled at our Mercy telling them their only job was to Hide and Rez.

It was an issue. Not only that some people did it, but that it was expected of those who didn’t.

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The only evidence that I need is that it was the most effective tactic available at the pro level. That alone should prove that it was the best option, which would trickle down into the lower ranks. It was a common strategy, and it was the best one AT THE TIME.

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That’s evidence of it’s balance, not evidence of how often it was used.

Edit: To be clear, I am glad that can’t be done anymore and agree it needed a change. It was not the point of the thread.

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Which is what matters.

I never claimed that it WAS the most common strat. I claimed that there wasn’t enough evidence to prove it either way, which I still believe.

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Then it appears I misunderstood.

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As I stated, that is just blatantly misrepresenting my argument. I am not asserting that trophy hunting is the be all, end all reason, just a POSSIBLE factor specific to console where I personally saw the behavior quite a bit.

I definitely remember, fam. I believe it was competitive season 1, I could be wrong, but I remember this girl telling us to go die on point Hanamura B so she could just rez us. And it worked. Rofl. It was a strategy regardless of the reason or how effective it was. I am just arguing that achievos could account for the prevalence, especially in QP where I spent most of my time back in the day.

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I disagree because it is already dead and not coming back. The reason I am bringing it up now is because I keep seeing Mercy players disparaged for it, even though so many of them say they did not do it a lot. I am pointing out that the only available evidence we have supports that most of them were not doing it, which makes it bad faith to assume that is the reason for them finding her unfun.

Some evidence > no evidence.

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Well they shouldn’t be disparaged at all. If they didn’t use it then fine, and if they did they shouldn’t be frowned at for using the most effective tactic available to them at the time.

Personally I don’t think the evidence is significant enough to make a claim on the issue. Sure there’s slightly more of it but it’s still almost nothing and still proves almost nothing.

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It doesn’t matter that you didn’t do it…or that (as you claim) the majority of mercy players didn’t do it…

It happened enough that people complained and enough for blizzard to decide to change it…this is not unlike the real world…it only takes one jerk to kill someone driving while drunk for everyone to put in laws against it

They said it was a behavior they didn’t like and so they did something about it…

You’re in your right to not like the decision they made…but just because you don’t think it was that prevalent doesn’t mean it didn’t happen

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