No hero should be able to oneshot with primary

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Overwatch is a FPS first and foremost with moba elements sprinkled in.

  • played in an FPS perspective
  • hero classes have been another first person shooters like Battlefield 3 (healer, attack, etc)
  • domination , control, Capture the flag, deathmatch, team deathmatch, free-for-all, capture the point, have all been in first person shooter games before.
  • Heroes having abilities have been in first person shooters before
  • in order to win a match you have to kill your opponent in order to capture points, move the payload, etc.
  • there are only a few things that are borrowed from mobas.

Anyhow OW is not WOW, it’s not DOTA, it’s not LOL,ect.
It’s a first-person shooter with a few moba elements sprinkled in.

I am pretty certain that 90% of all the complainers about Widow come from non FPS backgrounds, and the little by little want to turn OW into a MOBA. Which is ridiculous.

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No it’s not. You need the full skillset of fps games to be really good at OW.

NO! Widow is fine, and if you nerfed her damage you’d have to give her massive buffs.

Which would more or less turn her into Ashe…
Ashe already exists, and at mid range she can duel Widow pretty effectively.
Close range is a stomp, because dynamite is a thing…7

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Yeah, its an Esport.

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You’re right, Wow isnt Overwatch. None of the games you mentioned are Overwatch either. Snipers might work in those games, but not Overwatch.

You’re kinda being very judgmental about anyone who things Widow is OP. You’re saying their opinions don’t count because you assume they don’t have the same experience as you.

Even if that’s not true, of course their opinions matter, they play the game. Your opinion matters to me, because i make games (that’s why we’re talking BTW). A superiority complex over others is not a good basis for your argument.

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Either way. WoW isn’t overwatch. It’s an FPS. One shots have existed in these games. Some may find it unfair. But their is counter play to it.

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Widow was one of the earliest heroes to be made.
Snipers were always part of OW.

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I was talking about structure - skill is a separate topic.

I’m cool with buffing widow elsewhere if the 1 shots went - that’s my entire point - nerf damage, give her abilities to make up for it.

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They removed the 1 shots from Wow.

But you’re right, WOW isnt Overwatch. No game is.

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It’s an fps with weird abilities and game modes. But it’s an fps.

But I’m not. There is nothing wrong with Widow, other than people not liking high skill cap heroes like Widow, Tracer, Ana…

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She’s had this kill potential for 3 years. And she hasn’t been meta all the time. She wasn’t meta during GOATS and she wasn’t meta during dive. You’re not removing a mechanic that has been balanced before.

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No hero should be able to turn invisible
This should be a basic principle of designing an fps.

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Wow is a 3rd Person game with even more wierd abilities and game modes. Its as relevant as any FPS, structurally.

There’s obviously something wrong with widow. So many complaints here, plus she’s one of the big contributors to the damage/healing/barrier powercreep in the game.

But, i see it from your opinion - you’re resistant to logic and evidence because you don’t want your character changed.

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She’s been pretty good all the time.

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There would be absolutely zero reasons to pick Widow if she couldn’t one shot . Ash would be better that can 2 shot , or McCree. And they have better kits than her as well.
That’s like saying take away Reinhardt’s or Orissas shield, because it’s annoying to me, shooting at barriers all day.
That is the main part of their kits.

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Then improve her kit.
Hows about:

  • Give her an ability on a cooldown that works like a personal version of Zen’s Discord (giving her 1 shot ability on the targetted character for X seconds)
  • Improving her mobility.
  • Improved mine
  • A “shoot through shields” ability
  • A “next shot does massive damage to that shield” ability
  • An ability based poisoned shot that stops healing

I mean, there’s so much you could do that would make her more a part of the team, rather than just sitting back shooting “because skill”.

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Everything you suggested would be better on a new hero.
Overwatch is a first-person shooter, snipers have been part of first person shooters for over 20 years without issue.
And it’s totally ridiculous to try to delete a staple of first-person shooters because people that are not used to FPS’s, dislike them

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Pretty good doesn’t equate to broken.

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They’d be great on widow too - i understand you dont want anyone to change your hero, but she’s OP.

No other game is Overwatch. Snipers are OK in some other games, but not here. Its not about the people that arent used to FPS games (you’re basically saying “everyone who doesnt agree with me is bad”, btw) , its about game balance.

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I’ve been raised on fps games if I can say so, played a lot of them since the 90s but calling Overwatch similar to any of them is just not true.

Overwatch is played in first persons view.

Here, I listed every similarities to other fps games.

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Any good doom gets the HG , then SS on an Ana UC and LC. RP is an escape. If he were to use all his CDs he is nothing better than a hacked Doom.Also it takes some time to charge a RP. Meanwhile since he needs to be in meele range to be useful, you could Stun/Sleep/Flash/Hack/Boop him and screw up his combo. IDK why people complain about RP as a one-shot over a Widow’s Infinite range KO button every 0.5 seconds.