Honestly? Iāll argue with you on this oneā¦
Bastionās reload, iām pretty sure, is the longest in the entire game.
Once heās reloading, you have a few good seconds to attack him.
If he was doing this more often, even with a shield he would be vulnerable very often.
If they put barriers in front, attack from behind AND burn the barriers, for an opportune moment to strike. If team play is involved, team play will be needed to fight him and his team.
There is no exception for team playā¦ no single hero should counter a team comp.
Once again great post Chibi. I will post my opinion as a bastion main.
I really like the looks of these changes, however a few things could be changed
Firstly, his hitbox is simply too big, if you keep his hitbox this big and has armor + self healing heāll ALWAYS be treated like a tank, meaning needing pocket, protection etc.
His overall hitbox needs to be reduced.
Secondly, I know this is quite an unpopular opinion but I honestly think his recon should work differently, so he isnāt just a better or worse soldier 76. Iād really like to see something like a slower rate of fire, less ammo, more damage type gun, maybe in between mcree and soldier?
Thirdly, he NEEDS a faster transformation, when transforming in and out of sentry it feels like forever, itās what makes him so slow when retreating with the team.
Bastion needs to be dealt with very carefully, we know what happened with 35% iron clad and people wanted him never to be meta again. I really like all your suggestions just thought Iād give my two cents.
Happy new year dudes.
Yeah, thatās the current route, but itās not always effective especially when youāre trying to capture a point. Your post fails to address the issue at hand in that teamās can just readjust and barricade around him. He needs to be more independent and not need to be barricaded by his own team.
More or less? I keep forgetting to bring this up so Iām glad you did. In Overwatch, range tends to get traded in for durability. One way or another, donāt expect to have the same range as before.
I think its two seconds? Orisaās is 2.5 or 3 seconds, McCree and Hogās is 1.5 (just some comparisons).
If Bastion had 400 total hp instead of Iron Clad, you might be able to get away with swapping to recon if youāre caught out reloading. I like the idea of that interaction.
Then heād just be another orisa TBH. I really donāt want him to go in that direction. I just donāt think his survivability should be buffed at all except for his hitbox being reduced.
Thank you!!
I would agree, unless we make him a damage dealing Tank in the Tank category. :3
Hmmā¦ i donāt personally want to touch Recon just because i would be afraid of breaking it. x3
I think itās actually decent right now, the only issue being the mentality behind attacking himā¦ people run towards you, because they know that nothing you do can make you dangerous.
I would keep them the same in my own personal changes, as it allows for counter play, but you are rightā¦ itās rather punishing.
I do think that entering Sentry would need to take some time at least, if it was as dangerous as it should be.
Thank you again!! ^,^
I donāt know. I am iffy about bringing back both the personal barrier and head shots even with reduced ammo and removal of ironclad. Iām not sure if I caught all of the proposed changes though. Maybe a quick summary at the end of the post just recapping the changes in a bullet list would be helpful.
So far, the rework idea that I felt was the most interesting was the one turning Bastion into a tank that went around Reddit a while back.
Please tell me if this is missing anything, iāll update it.
Honestly as long as heās stationary, in high level play he will die while in Sentry, at least a minute into the match.
He really needs a shield, so people usually shield him āToo wellā Which in my opinion, doesnāt work anymore.
If he had his own, he would be strong with team play, but not much more stronger than he already is, shields go very quickly.
And as i said in the OP, the HP is debatable.
It could be 300, or even 200.
(Tho that would barely protect him at all, if it regenerated slowlyā¦)
Ehā¦ that goes back to my last post where heāll just be another orisa. Iād rather try to avoid that 
Fair enough, and I do agree recon would be the last thing to touch, however thatās just my two cents, because youāre right when you say bastion doesnāt feel dangerous at all to go after.
Very good point, I just feel like exiting should be much quicker.
I will agree hereā¦ he needs to get up faster in general.
The real way to counter him should be preventing him from setting up.
Itās a good overview of the philosophy you are going for. You could follow-up with specifics like this just to be clear on the exact changes.
Well thatās just the thing, i may need to specify that itās up for debate, but my own version would look like this:
I Agree, Bastion needs to become a tank. With the amount of firepower and tankiness that he already possesses I think that he needs to be put into this role. Make him a 300hp/100armor tank and give him back his shield while removing his Ironclad passive.
As long as he remains deadly, i think we agree.
Orisa isnāt much like Orisa to me nowadays. Sheās too slanted towards Fortify, I could really use a nice, independent tank who blocks damage with a barrier and even heals themselves.
I think he should be a tank. Embrace the hitbox.
Yep and further decrease the amount of time it takes for him to transition between modes.
With these changes, he would actually be able to set up and feel like heās saying āGET AWAY FROM ME IāM DANGEROUS NOWā
Which is the main goal.
āCome get your free kill, i canāt move nowā
I think while in sentry mode he should have a shot (like a flashbang) that blinds enemy combatants for a while. I think this would help set him apart from soldier.