Nerf Tracer the same way Soldier was nerfed

Actually it does, you can climb to master just by having good gamesense even if your mechanics are subpar. You are barely gold, you have neither.

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I play both. Tracer and Soldier.

I’d much rather be fighting a Tracer as Soldier than I’d be fighting an another Soldier where the duel is 99% cooldown dependant.

Same thing when I’m playing Tracer. Soldier is by far the hardest target to take and is much better of a deterrent than McCree.

Both of those heroes actually counter Tracer. Soldier has 2 baitable abilities that she needs to bait out so that she can have a chance. McCree has a single one but he kills faster. The reason why those characters are not a reliable counter right now is because both of those get targeted by dive tanks who create infinite space for Tracer.

And as for your “you don’t understand stats you’re looking at” comment, the discussion was about her damage output. So yeah, posting overall damage output is sufficient to debunk the claim that she does too much damage. And as for her one clipping people, it happens when people are standing still or have no clue whatsoever what strafing is. One-clips are actually significantly harder if opponent isn’t braindead and has a proper movement and is actually firing back.

99 times out of 100, you’d rather vs the Soldier cuz the Tracer will kill you waaaay faster and will stay alive after.

Nope. You have no idea whatsover what you’re talking about.

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Exactly. He can erase you much quicker than Tracer will even if you are not standing still if he gets a clear LOS on you and you can’t duck for cover.

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Soldier has a better fighting and winning chance against tracer then mccree, imo

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no one even plays tracer at your rank…

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I do not want to see tracer nerfed, almost the whole meta is based around her and if she is too powerful, then she should have another character made to counter her. Tracer is the one character that should never be nerfed and never has since she’s so perfectly balanced.

I am not a fan of nerfing Tracer, but if she had to be nerfed, I like that these are fairly slight nerfs. It’s not an additional second on her cooldowns, nor is it tweaking her abilities.

I’d be okay with these changes tbh.

Bingo. Tracer doesnt have any reliable counters and can pick her engagements as she likes and disengage whenever she likes. Her damage makes her more than a match for any hero up close and despite being a close range hero, she still outranges other close range heroes such as reaper and the tanks and has all the tools to close the distance against her long range adversaries.

As it stands, her supposed counters are not strong enough to shut her down (ie Torb).

Tracer’s only true counter is Sombra, but she’s barely gonna have an effect on Tracer’s pickrate since Hack is about to be nerfed into the ground. McCree can flash and headshot for an easy kill, but Tracer can actually sit outside his flash range and whittle him down because rectangular hitboxes like his aren’t helpful against wide spread. In low elo, a Roadhog isn’t going to land a hook on Tracer’s tiny hitbox, and in high elo, a good Tracer knows how to bait and evade a hook. I feel like there would actually be an answer to Tracer if they just left Sombra be.

citation needed

Soldier’s nerfs weren’t even circumstantial to his damage or falloff.

but said players would farm your entire team on any hero if he’s a smurf, its not a tracer issue.

There’s the fact that his pickrate was many times every other dps hero in every skill bracket.

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Everyone just always wanted s76 over any other dps.

Plat tracers with 40% accuracy, aka just mechanical skill and muscle memory, roll over every team who literally cannot do anything to her. Who needs game sense when you can just abuse tracer’s mechanics and nuke squishies without them being able to do a single thing as they get 1-2 clipped with ease.

yeah changing blink or recall CD would mess up anyone that plays tracer.

When S3 started, Soldier was BUFFED. Soldier’s then-buffed 17 damage > 20 damage on big targets was preferred, with S3 being triple tank meta.

His nerf in 2017 after S3 ended, lowered it to 19 damage, where it has stayed ever since. This nerf was done to reduce the effectiveness of Nano Visor – NOT because his base damage was too strong that he outclassed other DPS heroes. Nano Visor became the default ultimate combo for S3-S4 after Nano Boost lost its speed boost, because it was the only safe combination to use (Nanoblade and Nano Hog being the next best options).

The damage reduction in practice did absolutely nothing to stop his usage after S3. In S4, he continued to be the most picked DPS hero.

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His bullet spread/recovery nerfs, the ones that brought his usage down, happened S1 and mid S2. He did not outclass every DPS hero in S1-S2, and in fact McCree was the dominant player in all statistical tracking sites for S2 – OmnicMeta didn’t exist for S2, so all we have to go on is trickle-down from pro analysis.

Going back to your original comment;

S76 was not nerfed because he outclassed every DPS hero in basically all situations. His nerfs came before he even became meta.

So, again… I repeat myself and stand by what I said. His nerfs weren’t related to his damage or falloff.

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ill say not to nerf the damage but nerf her clip. give her like 10 or 5 less bullets and that should be fine

“unless you are running dive tanks”

Lol a.k.a. All the time

yeah she will do less damage, but will still have the same burst effect at a safe range

Half of the top500 Tracer main lol.(every season)

Let me just say I main tracer my self and you may think this is BIASED but I’m a mid platinum level tracer main with gold guns :grin:
but honestly tracer isn’t really that over powered its just that only the top players no how to play her. For example in the Overwatch League the tracers don’t completely destroy teams like the do in normal competitive game play. I fully agree tracer has no full counters, but she does have some off counters such as McCree, Ana, Road Hog, Sombra and Brigitte when she is released. What lower elo players got to understand (such as my self) is how to counter play her recall use better as she can she get behind a team tear them up and shes out. If we can some how stop her from getting behind or getting kills that would change the game a lot. As I mainly play sombra, ana this season as Ana I’ve noticed how much hard it is to kill tracer so I’ve been practising my sleep aim and once she’s slept she is dead either if you have team mates or not, like just do the Ana one tap combo or get a team mate to finish them.

For these reasons I feel tracer doesn’t need a nerf just better counters towards her and just better game sense in lower elo ranks to kill her.