yes,definitly
she just needs something on E as well
something skillful
something that doesnt rely on her team for a change,which is why current mercy is not fun, you have to rely on your teammates to shine, with massrez she coulddecide between tempo and massrez and shine herself.
Across all skill ranksâŠ
Mercy consistently gets on average about 5-6 rezes per match.
So the average number rezes in the lowest skill ranks are almost exactly what you see in the highest.
Skill has little to do with rez being successful.
This is likely due to rez having very obvious and specific situations where it either can or cannot be pulled off.
Have a tank shield or nearby cover? Go for it.
Battle is basically over and your team is already winning? No problem. This wonât likely sway the outcome of the fight, but maybe we can win faster.
Battle is over already? Let me pad my stats and save you a walk from respawn.
wait so you mean to tell me the best ability in the game has some kind of balance and canât be used at any time with little to no consequences?
âBest ability in the gameâ is a pretty big leap in logic.
I personally feel rez is massively overrated.
If itâs so powerful, why do the highest levels of players basically use Mercy for her ability to damage boost very specific heroes?
They donât pick her for her healing output. And rez is either a death sentence or just helps you âwin moreâ when youâre already winning.
Anti nade will sway a fight much more often than rez ever could.
No it wasnât counter intuitive. Mercy undid stuff. She undid damage. She also undid kills (so undoing damage).
Current Mercyâs ult and rez on e, intuitive or not is boring and terrible. It needs to go!
No. I actually think rez should be removed completely and she should be given another E ability. Or at least rez should be avaiable only during valkrie. Either way she needs another ability she can use during mid fight.
Pretty much comes down to : High Skill Level, Tanks shield the Mercy. Low Skill Level⊠players just cant kill her fast enough. In both situations it even more depends on the other people in the match⊠Rez is basically just a gamble
Why do you hate fun?
This is 100% true and the only subjective thing that should effect balance changes is whether something can be deemed âunfairâ like they did with Roadhogâs hookcombo and Hanzoâs scatter arrow.
Mercy is being unimpactful right now because sheâs underpowered and a liability unless ran with Pharah who is a liability 95% of the time either way. With flatline 60hps she was in line with all the other healers and was a must pick only and only because she was able to damage boost Grav+Dragon combo. They took that away and nerfed Grav and buffed other healers which shouldâve caused changes in the support roster, but ensuring that this happens at the expense of Mercy being trash-tier was a really d-move from the devs. She just needs to be as good as other healers by having that 60hps or as much if not even more compensated through the rest of her kit to be impactful again
I canât speak for people on PC, but on console, res is so buggy that it doesnât even really matter how you use it. Very little skill goes into the ability purely because of how poorly it functions.
Sometimes itâll activate without you intending to. If you try to res, depending on the position of the soul relative to the walls, it may not work. Sometimes, if two souls are close to each other, the screen will display you as ressing one person when in reality you res the other. I mean, you canât even see the max range you can res for crying out loud.
And it doesnât even stop at res. Movement glitches, even beneficial ones, are so numerous and buggy that itâs almost like you have no control over how Mercy plays at all. She can target people behind walls, her GA visuals donât show up depending on the circumstances, and sometimes she just flies the wrong direction and end up flinging herself backwards into a dangerous situation.
And Iâll be the first to admit that Iâm being a little hyperbolic, but her bugs are the thing thatâs keeping her from being great, not any healing or ability changes.
Mercy would be completely fine if her bugs were addressed, but they are such a huge hindrance to her that even the player themselves canât predict whatâs going to happen. It keeps her from being as impactful as she needs to be, and thatâs a huge problem.
But I agree, valk is better than mass res ever was, and I canât imagine a viable Mercy with mass res as her ultimate. I am, however, not opposed to reworks. I think theyâre worth exploring, especially with the sheer amount of unhappy players. You and I arenât the only Mercy players in the world, and itâs important to take other peopleâs opinions into account when talking balance. Letâs make a hero we can all enjoy.
Every hero is considered boring and/or unfun to somebody. No, itâs not a valid argument to rework someone. I think itâs valid when a hero has a dismal pick rate but Mercy has consistently been one of the most played, most popular heroes since launch. Even when she wasnât popular in high tiers and pro she was a one of the most played heroes. Sheâs popular now despite being considered boring and unfun by SOME people.
Sheâs the reason I play this game. Not a big fan of shooters but I love Mercyâs playstyle and Iâm against any more reworks. There is no other hero in the game that plays like Mercy. Sheâs unique. Outside of number tweaks, just leave her alone. Release more supports (and tanks) so people have more variety.
A lot of blah from the OP that is not very interesting to read and mostly off track.
Mercyâs problem is not being unfun or unimpactful, itâs not even about Mass rez VS Valkyrie. Most of you fail to see this and generalize stuff over and over again.
The only problem about Mercy is that her current âeâ ability is stronger than her ult. Simple as that and none of your arguments can prove this wrong. Valkyrie as it is now would seem strong and adequate if Mercyâs âeâ was something less impactful.
Valkyrie 1.0 was stronger than Mercyâs âeâ ability so it was fine then (even though it was more powerful than Mercy 1.0 with Mass rez). Current Valkyrie is weaker than her âeâ ability.
Most of the Mercy mains donât care much about Mass rez coming back or not. All they want is a balanced hero with an ult that is stronger than an ability on cooldown, why wonât you understand ?
Except for Symm (and itâs debatable), I canât see any other hero that has a basic ability stronger than their ult. Thatâs basically the only problem with Mercy.
All it takes to correct this is putting her single rez on âQâ and a shorter version of Valkyrie on âeâ and Mercy will be more logical. Resurrecting someone will never pass as a cooldown ability 'cause itâs simply too strong and itâs very unlikely to think of another ability that could be stronger than resurrecting an ally except for multiple ressurects but the community doesnât want more rezzes (even two resurrects were too much to them before the January nerf).
Itâs tiring and very hypocritical to accuse Mercy players for complaining about their hero when you (the community and pro players in general) are responsible for all of this.
Because of your complaints you created the single hero from the game that has an âeâ ability stronger than an ult. Well done !
Edit : The only idea of an ult that could be somewhat stronger than an âeâ resurrect ability (without adding more rezzes in the game) would be an ult that could cancel the timing before allies resurrect at the spawn, making the teammates respawn instantly but again this would feel like an ult that wouldnât be easy enough to counter for the community just like with Mercy 1.0 (unless thereâs a long cast time again).
Literally her only issue is lack of a midfight, which makes her seem boring.
Iâm finding her a lot of fun right now, but I understand where she is boring.
Her value comes in on the long term fight, when ultimate advantage comes into play.
But you canât stop your Reinhardt from being one tapped, Ana and Moira can. Itâs the only thing missing from her kit. Itâs not fun to be healing your Reinhardt as heâs crying for heals and having to watch him be killed as there is nothing more you can do for him.
You mean unhealthy for the game. Stop propagating this myth like itâs the only reason she got reworked. She got reworked for a number of reasons.
Same thing applies to you. Stop propagating myths. Mass Rez was unhealthy for the game and everyone with a decent grasp of the game understood it.
Valkyrie is impactful, the fact that some players are not able to utilize it properly doesnât mean that the ultimate is not impactful.
On fire doesnât mean anything. It never has and it doesnât now.
Broken and/or unhealthy mechanics shouldnât be kept just because they are fun to a minority group at the expense of everyone else. Thatâs not a valid argument.
So, basically, just because mass rez was âunhealthyâ (whatever that means, I feel like youâre talking about a diet), Mercy mains donât have a say about their hero after more than 20 nerfs ?
Any hero mains with that many nerfs (and still in a problematic situation) would go ballistic on the forums. If that happened to Genji or Tracer, the community would go wild, even without the pro players community.
As I said in an earlier post, the only problem with Mercy currently is not valkyrie nor her single rez, yet the fact than her coolown ability on âeâ is stronger than her ult. Valkyrie per se is not weak but the resurrect on âeâ makes it feel like less impactful. Removing rez could benefit Valkyrie actually.
If not, switch the single rez to an ult and valkyrie to a shorter âeâ ability version and the problem is solved.
The only reason the devs are not doing this is because it would prove them and the whole community that having rez on a cooldown was the worst idea they came up with.
this is pretty much the absolute truth now that i think about it
Since she was changed on the basis of âfunâ to begin with, it definitely seems fine for her players to want her changed on the basis of fun.
A broken, unhealthy mechanic shouldnât be back in the game, no thank you. Also Iâm a Mercy player as well. Donât paint Mercy mains like some homogeneous group that universally holds the same opinion. Many of us love Valkyrie and feel it fun and impactful. I donât want Mass Rez back both to play against and to play with. Also please donât give me the nerf story - having an OP broken hero (which she was during initial Valkyrie phases) is hardly a sad thing.
My favorite hero is Symmetra, donât even get me started on âwhoâs got it worseâ please, no need for sob stories. Mercy was nerfed because she was broken and OP and rightfully so. And currently she is not problematic, she is perfectly viable.
Iâm personally fine with Mercy as she is now. And plenty of other Mercy players are. Mass Rez shouldnât come back in the game. And the claim that she is not viable is absurd. Valkyrie is incredibly useful if used correctly. People need to learn how to use it since clearly they havenât based on all the âspectatorâ commentaries.
No one asked for the Valkyrie rework, thatâs on people like you it went live because no one played ult economy against mass rez.
Yeah, itâs fine to have an hero that has an âeâ ability stronger than an ult. Thatâs the very definition of âbalancedâ.
I guess we donât agree on anything. Have a nice evening though !
There were multitude of issues with Mass Rez.
Her E ability is not stronger than her ultimate. More importantly it can be counter-played and it requires skill now to pull off, which is good. It also keeps Mercyâs identity. Win-win.
Probably. Have a good winter and enjoy the holidays!