Mercy mains who don't want Mass Rez back?

[Qwazi-2242]

I don’t want mass-rez back, but I want another rework. I’d like to scrap resurrect entirely in favor of something that increases Mercy’s skill-ceiling a little and makes her a bit more engaging to play. No more “press spacebar and hold a mouse-button” mechanics for 15 seconds please. It’s ruining the fun

[Hypersonicy-1720]

@Titanium

No one wants mass rez back dude, just accept it. It’s counter-intuitive and unhealthy for the game.

[morph8ne-1367]

I don’t. I want her to be able to contribute in other ways.

[Otamega-2461]

I still see Mass Rez more healthy for the game, with some tweaks that should be tested before pushing a OP rework and nerfing it in the ground

[LUCIF3R-11758]

I believe that current Mercy can be improved gameplay-wise and can be made more fun.

Valk was fun when it was first released, then it became awful and barren. Blizzard already removed the “improved gameplay” you believe could be added for more fun.

Mass Rez was fine for this game. Blizzard broke that as well and it made people hate it more.

I don’t understand why so many Ults can kill teams, but not one can exist to bring them back? The argument is;

“But then you have to kill the Mercy before she Ults!!!”

But is that not true for any of the other Ults that have killing potential? Every Ult has consequences. Mercy’s currently does not. You are not punished by her Ult in anyway, whatsoever.

Blizzard made it difficult to kill Mercy. They made Rez instant cast, mobile, and invulnerable. Mercy before was stationary with a mild cast, and vulnerable. The game has changed A LOT since Mass Rez was removed. I think it’d be fine.

There are of course alterations that can be made. Mass Rez, with reduced health. Mass Rez, with no Ult charge. Mass Rez, with stagnant ability or movement. Whatever.

The issue is the Rez for DPS mains. You either kill her, or you don’t. If she can be killed, then it’s a timing issue. But if she does indeed Rez, and it doesn’t COMPLETELY erase all that you did (because those who were Rez’d basically lost everything), then I can’t see why it wouldn’t work with those alterations?

Valkyrie to me has lost it’s purpose. I use it to Battle Mercy when I am rarely found playing Mercy these days. It’s the most use I get out of it.

Other supports weren’t a factor during old Mercy because… they sucked. But they’ve been buffed. Ana is a thing because of her buffs.

Instead of the ideal of breaking those who perform well down, to be equal with those who perform bad; we should instead elevate them all so they can all be great.

Other supports have been elevated. Mercy is still left in a poor state. Why can she not be redeemed too?

P.S. No, I’m not a Mercy main… for a long time.

[Dimentive-2259]

I’ve been saying for quite a while that I don’t want mass-Resurrect back.

Resurrect, whether as an Ultimate or a regular ability, is impossible to properly balance because it’s the only ability in the game that affects dead players.

Here are my ideas on how to make Mercy viable again while not making her overpowered like she was when her rework was released:

@Dimentive-2259

First of all, replace Resurrect with a different ability. I get that it’s an iconic ability and all, but it’s impossible to properly balance since it’s the only ability in the game that affects players who have died. This is why Mercy has never been balanced; she’s always been either underpowered (pre-rework and currently) or overpowered (right now, after all the nerfs to her). And need I mention the nerf to her healing? Her healing is so slow that she can’t even outheal Winston’s Tesla Cannon (AKA Tickle Gun); Mercy heals for 50 health per second now, while Winston’s Tesla Cannon’s damage is 60 damage per second.

I highly disagree with people who say that Resurrect as an Ultimate should come back. Instead, here is my idea:

Replace Resurrect with an ability called Miracle Worker.
Description of Miracle Worker:

Type: Single target buff
Range: 30 meters (same as that of both Guardian Angel and Zarya’s Projected Barrier)
Duration: 3 seconds (1 second longer than Zarya’s Projected Barrier) or until lethal damage is taken
Cooldown: 15 seconds (5 seconds longer than Zarya’s Projected Barrier)

Effect 1: Buff duration expires, and the target is healed for 100 HP.
Effect 2: Prevent death when target takes damage that would normally kill them and sets the target’s health to 50 HP.

Mercy places a spell on a targeted ally. This buff will trigger an effect after 3 seconds or when the target takes lethal damage.

If the buff expires with no lethal damage taken, the target is healed for 100 HP.

If the target takes lethal damage, death is prevented, and the target’s HP is set to 50 HP.

This idea is not mine. It’s by YouTuber Blame The Controller. (Source video.)

This is an ability that could save someone from death, regardless of the amount of damage taken, just like Zarya’s Projected Barrier. However, Mercy wouldn’t directly benefit from this like Zarya does, the cooldown would be longer, and the buff would also last a little longer as well. The target would also be healed. If the target takes damage that would normally kill them, they don’t die and is instead immediately healed for 50 HP. If they don’t take any damage that would kill them during the three-second period, their health is instead set to 50 HP. Keep in mind that this wording is intentional: Ana’s Biotic Grenade would be able to stop the healing of 100 health if the target takes no lethal damage, but it wouldn’t be able to stop the second effect where the target’s health is set to 50 HP (otherwise, they would immediately die).

Due to the long cooldown, Mercy players would have to prioritize when to use this ability, even more than Zarya players and Projected Barrier. She couldn’t just use it willy-nilly. If a target is saved from death, they are healed, but the amount that they are healed for is so low that they would need to be healed by Mercy or another healer afterwards; otherwise, they’d likely die right after the buff is over if the enemy is focusing them.

Replacing Resurrect would not be enough, however. Her healing output should be reverted to 60 healing per second, and Valkyrie should be updated to work with this hypothetical new ability. For example, during Valkyrie, Miracle Worker could heal for 200 health, instead of 100, when no lethal damage is taken, and the target’s health could be set to 100, instead of 50, if lethal damage is taken.
Alternatively, the healing numbers could remain the same, but the cooldown for Miracle Worker could be reset, or she could get another charge, just like what used to happen with Resurrect when she used Valkyrie.

[OneTrickPony-11260]

I don’t care either way. I liked using Mass Rez and I like Valkyrie.

If going back to the version of Mass Rez Mercy means losing GA dash and GA jump, then I don’t want the old version.

[MikeUchiha-11562]

So, I was wondering - are there Mercy mains/players who don’t want Mass Rez back and Why?

Because it is an iconic ability that Mercy had. It is still present in game modes like Junkenstein’s Revenge, one of the Anniversary events is still tuned as if Mercy has mass res (a bunch of people complained how difficult it was without mass res) and because in a game where there are a plethora of ults that can one hit ko 3+ people, why is an ult that MAY bring back more than one person so broken?

When I played DPS or Tank and get like 4-5 kills - it always felt bad when Mercy came and rezzed them.

I mean to me it feels bad for me to be healing people and just have a Junkrat tire come and explode them with me being able to do nothing.

but it wasn’t really healthy for the game , even if it was balanced.

This is subjective. Like I don’t think so many stuns in the game is healthy for it. I don’t think so many ults that can easily solo 3+ people is healthy for the game. I don’t think supports being so weak is healthy for the game.

But it’s the reality and I feel like if Mercy doesn’t get mass res then she should have some way of reducing the cooldown of Res or at the very least have it available more often.

[Crestren-1121]

When I played DPS or Tank and get like 4-5 kills - it always felt bad when Mercy came and rezzed them.

Really? When I play, she comes and rez, I ult back and manage to wipe them out again with a riptire or D.va bomb.

[GreyFalcon-11737]

I’m obviously not a Mercy main, but I find it a bit dishonest when people say they primarily care about making Mercy Fun/Balanced, but only purpose ideas that are highly unlikely to be implemented.

If they were serious about the Fun/Balanced comment, don’t you think they’d suggest the most likely ways to achieve that goal, instead of the least likely ones?

[Feculator-2245]

I don’t want it back because it led to situations where not healing teammates was more beneficial than healing them

• You were on a time limit once the first person died;
• other teammates could be low enough that the beam isn’t enough but the rez would be, (IF they die first)

Add those two factors together, and it sucks. True, there’s the damage beam to keep Mercy occupied, but still. This has nothing to do with hiding either, or wanting PotG, or a big 5-man, which are all convenient strawmen they like to incessantly bring up.

I have seen a good suggestion for the issue though: let mass rez also burst heal live teammates in its radius for ~100 health.

[TKatastrophe-1721]

I play a fair bit of Mercy and I definitely don’t want it back. It felt really passive, and I hated not healing and letting all my teammates die so i could get a 5-man rez. Woo.

New Mercy is way more engaging

(also OP, you get cookies for your username. I see you and I appreciate you)

[GammaDelta-21840]

I do not want AoE Rez to come back. The devs have already struggled for over a year to balance Rez, let it be as an ult or as an ability ; reverting it would just bring new problems into the fray.
Besides. I don’t find Mass Rez satisfying. It’s not very engaging, and it doesn’t change the way you play Mercy. You heal, press Q, then go back to doing the exact same thing you were doing 3 seconds earlier. There’s just no variety.
Also, this is a personal feeling, of course, but when I’m on support, I wanna help my team push the best I can when they’re alive. Instead of supporting my team when they’re alive, helping them make big plays, keeping them alive, and so on, I support them only when they die with AoE Rez. You can criticize Valkyrie as much as you want, but it at least captures the essence of what a support can do : help your teammates win by keeping them alive and enhancing their abilities to deal damage, to protect their team with their shield or by peeling for the backline, etc. AoE Rez turns Mercy into a giver of second-chances. You don’t help your team win on your first try : you give them continues to try again. I personally dread that idea, and I’m glad Blizzard took another approach with Mercy’s kit.
Although I wish they didn’t make Mercy 2.0 as OP as she was, because that just created more problems.

[Nandalee-2753]

but it wasn’t really healthy for the game , even if it was balanced.

Isnt that a bit of a contradiction?

I mean I know that mass-rez worked and wasnt OPAF in the slightest so thats why I would take it back in an instant. Otherwise I am fine with another ultimate as long as we can delete valk forever. It would just be easier I think to implement an older design that you know did work. Plus you could tweak it in many different ways to make room for other stuff like an e-ability of some sorts.

[Patroclus-21714]

“I don’t understand why so many Ults can kill teams, but not one can exist to bring them back? The argument is;”

“But is that not true for any of the other Ults that have killing potential?”

I know it’s a wild concept but other ultimates can be interrupted,blocked,hacked,etc while they’re being cast. Mass Rez was instant. And killing the Mercy before ulting wasn’t “counterplay”.

And Mass Rez had a cast time in beta. The game launched with Mercy having instant cast time because most likely what happened was that the devs saw how terrible the ult was with a cast time. If you’re gonna rez multiple people,pray to god that nothing kills you while casting lol

The things y’all suggest would either make Mercy meta again or it would make her a bottom of the barrel F tier hero.

Mass Rez with cast time,no invuln,LoS checks.

Scenario A: If Rein isn’t meta then using Rez would be very risky cause he wouldn’t be able to protect you with his shield. And you all would be complaining how you die a lot.
Scenario B: If Rein is meta and thus he could protect Mercy with his shield,then the game becomes “Flank the Mercy and kill her before she uses ult” again.

[Balladeer-11731]

Valk was fun when it was first released

You mean when it was OP?

I don’t understand why so many Ults can kill teams, but not one can exist to bring them back?

Often teams will invest more than one ult to team wipe the enemy. Examples: nano blade, grav pulse bomb, shatter nano, etc.
It just isn’t healthy for the game to have just one ult that negates an entire team’s efforts. Their coordination, positioning, combos, all go out the window just because Mercy hid somewhere and waited to press Q?

You are not punished by her Ult in anyway, whatsoever.

You can damage boost an entire team. I’d say that’s pretty punishing. You can also be descended upon by the terrifying angel of death with her infinite ammo and verticality which is harder to aim at. I’d say that’s pretty punishing if the Mercy has good aim.

it doesn’t COMPLETELY erase all that you did (because those who were Rez’d basically lost everything)

I fail to see how those resurrected lost everything.

Valkyrie to me has lost it’s purpose.

What would you say was its original purpose and how has that changed?

There are of course alterations that can be made. Mass Rez, with reduced health. Mass Rez, with no Ult charge. Mass Rez, with stagnant ability or movement. Whatever.

While I don’t agree old mass res should return, ideas like this would be interesting to see tested.

[Echo11-21439]

Good Mercy players usually used tempo rez anyway. So adding Valkyrie is a buff from old Mercy.

[Nicolas-23149]

So that over 1000 people who liked Titanium’s idea are no one? xd

[Angela37-2766]

I want anything that makes the res as fluid to use as other parts of her kit.

That self stun killed most of the fun for me. I played her for the flow she had for hundreds of hours. It’s worse and worse with every month.

[Vanora-21431]

Although I found rez really enjoyable to use, I think it’s better not to have it. I feel like the devs’ reason for removing it was pretty valid. It lead to Mercy disengaging from a fight to make sure they stayed alive instead of engaging.

However, in her current state I do feel like Mercy misses something. Valk in its current form isn’t necessarily bad, but when I play Mercy I never feel like I’m having as big of an impact. Valk is good to help you push, but it’s not really a life saver. And that’s what I miss for her, an ability, or maybe an addition to her ultimate to make her a little more impactful (and hopefully as a result, a little more fun to play).