The devs ignore every problem that overwatch has, and bastion is a prime example. He has been f tier for so long but they have no said that he will never get a rework, even though his pickrate and kit is garbage and he is a pure troll pick everywhere. Great example thanks for the general argument so thank you next
Yeahā¦ but Blizz can say a lot of things you know? They said this, you remember?
āWe will NEVER add Deathmatch to Overwatchā
So, yeah, they thought that was fine. Did they keep their word? Nope.
Oh, and Iām glad that you are one of those 2-3 guys who find her fine, despite everything out there screams the opposite and 14 changes in this last year, way more than any other character in its whole history, or even some of them combined (and Iām talking about the original heroes like Soldier, not Brig or any other receant) in a pathetical short amount of time. Oh, I almost forgotā¦ Original valk was greatā¦ Mercy after her first nerf was fineā¦ Mercy after the next nerf was fineā¦ and the list goes on with every single change. Yeah, Blizz sure will say that she is fineā¦ until the day she will need more changes because she wasnāt that fineā¦ Thatās obvious, they arenāt going to say āWe have changed this character but it still sucksā.
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i played bastion from low diamond to high master
i donāt think he is trash, just niche in his kit. if they actually tried making him viable, his entire kit would be changed and his iconic high damage would probably also be changed
some heroes being used situational is not bad because they have unique kits
The prime reason was āItās unfun to play againstā
Thatās why they changed it.
But you are right. Itās the only Ult they changed because of that.
Just to give you an update about the only real issue Mass Res had.
That was the lack of preventive counterplay. A cast time and that would have been fixed.
Can you quote it? Just so that i can find it faster.
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The forums make it seem this way, but people forget the forums are a very small amount of people. I still see people play and enjoy Mercy in the game. Not as much as Ana maybe, but as much as Moira or any of the other healers.
I dont believe I have done so
I see several folks disagreeing with me, more or less - but I dont see that as āhalf the mercy communityā (of which I am one, btw) as disagreeing with me.
and in any case, them disagreeing with me is not the same as me disagreeing with myself, ie contradicting myself
Further still - If a million people got in line to tell me one at a time that the Pope is not catholic, Iād stand my ground that he is Catholic. Mass disagreement does not mean one is wrong about something.
I have not implied nor have a stated explicitly that any person or persons should not be heard
Let me make my feelings in that regard explicit tho: everyone has a voice, and everyone should be heard
That said, I too should be heard, just as you should, and everyone else.
I do not believe I have avoided any questions, tho I do see that more than one of you is saying that I am.
Am I required to answer every question, tho?
I will say this: the premise of this thread as started is that Mercy is fine, and I agree with that.
Here we go, the double standard of fun, wasnāt rez. as a ultimate changed because of the whole false accusation of hide and rez. Because of itās counterplay which was literally shoot the mercy or use an ultimate to counter the ultimate. But, it was so unfun to play against that they changed it, but we canāt have the same treatment as them when we have seen our character dragged throughout the past year and seen nerfs completely pick away at each part of her. But we donāt get the same treatment do we?
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This is subjective. I think Mercy is more fun now than she was. She still has the same basic mechanics. But she has GA hop for dodging and Valk is fun to zoom around with to save overextended team mates or shoot Pharah/Widow. And getting a rez off that you shouldnāt be able to mid-fight feels crazy good.
^^
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Both SK and the UK ran Mercy effectively in the World Cup. If you guys are on PC, download the viewer client and you can literally watch pro mercy players do their thing.
Mercy is not all-encompassing the way she used to be, but sheās far from dead. Git gud.
they changed it because of hide and rez
they didnāt want mercy to be used this way so they changed it, if that was simply because it was unfun to play againts rez in itself would be removed
unfun and fun is very subjective, even if some players actually found it unfun to play againts, well ask them about dragonblade and they will probably say the same thing
they donāt change ultimates based on fun because its very subjective, the ultimate must have very big flaws if they decided to completely change it
this + 1000
Yet alot of other ults are used this way, rip tire, death blossom etc. But yet, they arenāt changed but instead thought of as OMG so fun. Wow the double standards really show huh?, I mean there are relatively low skill entry heroes in the game apart from Mercy but no one bats an eye at them. Double standards really show to their fullest when talking about Mercyās old ultimate.
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Iāll answer your questions.
Valk isnāt the most fun ult in the game (at least for me) but it is more dynamic than most press Q and watch ults in the game. Valk gives you 15 sec. to juggle damage boosting your team and healing then kill a Pharah or Widow, ad rez a teamate that died while you were being a dps. - Also rez is much safer to use with Valk.
I get that Mass Rez felt really rewarding in comparison, it was visually very satisfying and let mercy have big moments of impact. I do think Mass Rez was fun too, but I feel like it came at the cost of Mercy having a shallow base kit. I would honestly rather take a rounded out Mercy with value everywhere in her kit, than have one who is completely ult centered.
there are far, far, far more than 2-3 of us who find Mercy fine in her current state
that said, I get that there are also many others who do not find her fine in her current state.
but - this is ultimately Blizzards product, and they determine what Mercyis at any point in time, and the interviews at Blizzcon indicate that they are also finewhere she is at the moment
On a related note: I enjoyed playing Torbjorn for a long time, despite all the haters. I do not like the Newbjorn/Nerfedbjorn rework. As such, I have moved on, I do not play Torb anymore. Not saying you should do the same here, but just sayināā¦all characters can (and probably will) be changed over time
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Torbjorn and Mercy want to say something about this.
I thought one of the first reasons of this cancer of revert was āpiling up 6 ults and watching the enemy Mercy undoing those kills is dishearteningā. The hide and rez exploit was the second and last reason, and a really poor one, since it would be fixed with tweaks instead of reverting her to all her old mistakes from the past.
About Torbjorn? Blizz was really specific: āit was unfun to play asā
Bad news, many of those playing Mercy are not saying their opinion while they are playing, so you canāt assure that they are enjoying the character. I know many Mercy mains who are still playing her, but donāt enjoy her. They simply love the character, so they will play her, even if the next change she receives is just cutting her arms and legs.
In addition, that logic about the forums is already flawed. Yeah, of course they are a minority, the same as the whole Ow community is a very tiny portion of the world population. Does that mean that this game is not popular? I wouldnāt think so. Yes, now itās loosing players thanks to some disasters like this Mercy revertās management and the match matching, but itās still popular. The same goes for the forums, polls and surveys. They all show the same thing. Mercy is unfun and valk is not liked even by the Mercy players. They want a better design.
According to surveys, polls, etcetera, the huge majority dislike her state. Iāve seen even some players who have never played Mercy with mass rez or that simply hated it, admitting that theyād rather having it back. That says a lot.
Yeah, as Iāve said, they think she is fineā¦ Exactly as they did before, and the change before, and the change before,ā¦ and spam this like other 10 more times. They are not going to say āWe think current Mercy sucksā, they want to sell a product.
Well, here I agree. This goes to all the heroes in the game, as long as it wonāt die. Maybe the next year we will see another rework, who knows.
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Here to show you support, though I think Mercy could be slightly buffed, I donāt want anything too drastic from what she has now
Yep so now we instead have a mercy who can barely keep a team alive and an ultimate that canāt even negate a primary fire from a tank. Itās kinda hilarious at how trash her ult is, the devs packed all these little things in the ultimate to overshadow the fact that itās simply a worse version of itās counterparts. She is now a jack of all trades but master of none.
I absolutely loved Torbjorn before the rework. Many others I know did as well. So not everyone felt this way - but I agree that the majority did hate the character t the point that they didnt want a Torb on the team, whether deservedly or not
With apologies in advance - I doubt any of these so-called surveys polls and etcetera have any more validity statistically than what I am saying. How was the sample set collected? Was the population polled statistically significant? I could go on and on. It is far more likely (in a general āhuman natureā sense of things) that a person upset about an issue will comment on that than someone who is fine with it.
I will agree with you that there are a large number of folks who are unhappy with Mercyās current state - Iāve seen their posts and felt their ire.
but
I will not agree that they are a majority
Many other Mercy players, myself included, find her fun to play as she is and dont want any changes, including but not limited to her design
Thanks.
Yes, there are indeed more than ā2 or 3ā of us
A buff to Mercy is on the PTR now and should go live any day now
Iām comparing them because of the double standards, rez was changed because of itās āunfunā part, which was in exaggeration, āhaving the mercy undo 6 ultsā which is really stupid when all you have to do is kill the mercy or if the devs really wanted to push it, they could have added a cast time or made a small change. But they didnāt because of the double standard, the others get to keep their ult and their identity while mercy gets stripped of her own niche and thrown around, why donāt they change other ults, why did they change mercy, they could have done everything a whole lot different and the game would have been so much better.
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