Mercy doesn't need to be one of the most picked hero all the time

[Strawberry-11985]

So, if she went back to 60/hps, she would go up in pickrate up near rein?

[EndOfTheLine-2326]

She shouldn’t be overpowered or under powered. No hero should be. She should be well designed. Every hero should be well designed. Mercy isn’t well designed. She has flaws in her kit that require fixing. Everyone who cares about the game being well designed and balance should want this fixed. Forget pick rates. Forget “introductory” heroes. There aren’t and shouldn’t be any “introductory” heroes. Good design always allows for skill expression to achieve higher results. When a hero doesn’t allow that, it’s bad design.

I really wish you people would stop being so simplistic about this stuff and indulging in tribalism when there’s an issue in the game design that could easily be fixed. Just try to look at it from a sober game design point of view and go in with the mind set of “I want to make the game better” rather than “Mercy deserves to be gutted because she was picked a lot”.

[MERCY-22758]

You are right. Mercy doesn’t need buffs because buffs won’t fix her boring, uninteresting kit or give her an actual ultimate ability. She needs a rework, but one, that doesn’t leave her in an overpowered state for a year.

[MERCY-22758]

Yes probably, but not due to 60hp/s healing, but due to the combination of Rezz on a cooldown, chain beams and 60hp/s. And that’s the problem! Blizzard nerfed every part of Mercys kit in order to make Rezz on E a somewhat balanced ability. As long as Rezz stays on E, other parts of her have to suffer. She needs a rework. Get rid of those chain beams, connect Rezz to her ult (doesn’t have to be mass rezz) and suddenly 60hp/s aren’t a problem anymore.

[ALCATRAZ-22492]

yes thats true every ult in the game needs to change the course of the game #tutorial so the mass rez is the best thing to balance mercy (withno invicibility

[Cerburus437-1424]

@Maka-21687

she’s been insanely OP for almost a year

Yep

@Maka-21687

and now that she has a negative winrate in all ranks even gm she’s in a bad state and she is trash

In case you didnt notice I edited this one

@Maka-21687

and people even call her an “off healer”

I mean yeah she’s closer to zenyattas healing than anas or moiras so I can see where that comes from

@Maka-21687

but never suggest any change they’d like to see.

@Titanium-1686

Valkyrie:

• Removed.

Resurrect:

• Removed as a basic ability and placed as Mercy’s ultimate ability.
• 15 meter range.
• Line of sight requirement. Does not apply to destructibles, payloads, or non-fundamental map obstacles that are too small to actually obscure a player. In other words, none of that BS where a player can move behind a lamp post to evade a nuclear explosion.
• 1 second cast time. Basic movement is unrestricted while casting, but all attacks and abilities are disabled for Mercy during this time.
• If Mercy is stunned or killed while casting, Resurrect does not activate and Mercy loses all ultimate charge.
• All living allies within range and LoS of Mercy once the cast time ends receive a burst heal of 150 HP. Mercy also receives this burst heal.
• All dead allies within range and LoS of Mercy once the cast time ends are revived at full health and receive 2.25 seconds of invulnerability (same as current Resurrect and Resurrect pre-rework).
• Mercy does not receive invulnerability upon Resurrect’s activation.
• Resurrect does not require dead allies to be activated.
• 1625 ultimate charge requirement (the same as Mercy 1.x’s Resurrect).

Most importantly, this takes Resurrect off one of Mercy’s basic abilities and places it into a position that matches its ultimate-like behavior. On top of this, various trade-offs were made to the ability to allow for the healing burst and the introduction of a second basic ability.

The healing burst, post-rez vulnerability, cast time, and LoS requirements all incentivise using Resurrect to revive 0-3 players rather than 4+ players. Attempting to use it on four or more players runs a greater risk a failed resurrect attempt due to the cast time. If Mercy manages to use Resurrect, there is a greater chance that she missed some allies due to the LoS requirement. If those two drawbacks do not drag her team down enough, there is also the fact that Mercy is vulnerable post-rez while her teammates are still reviving.

The healing burst and fire-at-will mechanics on Resurrect make the ability more flexible and open up some unique uses for it. For example, Mercy could use Resurrect to grant her team a burst of healing in the middle of the teamfight to keep their momentum going rather than waiting for an ally to rejoin the fight after being killed and revived.

New Basic Ability - Pacify:

• After a .5 second wind-up, Mercy launches a single hitscan attack from her left hand.
• The projectile’s hitbox size resembles that of Symmetra’s secondary fire.
• The projectile deals no damage upon impact with an enemy. Instead, it applies a debuff that reduces the base damage dealt by the target by 33%. 100 damage is reduced to 67 damage before other damage amplifiers/reductions are factored in.
• This debuff lasts for 4 seconds.
• The projectile does not persist once it hits an enemy. It is only able to affect one enemy for each use.
• The projectile is blocked by barriers, Defense Matrix, and Particle Barriers. It can be deflected by Genji’s Deflect ability.
• 10 second cooldown. The cooldown begins after the ability is cast.
• There is a .25 second wind-down time after Pacify is launched.
• During the wind-up and wind-down times, Mercy is not able to use her staff, her pistol, or Resurrect. She may use Guardian Angel, however.
• Does not affect non-player entities and constructs (turrets, Rip-Tire, Supercharger, etc).

@OMEGALUL-2217

Resurrect in the state of an E ability will never be balanced and will neither be as an ultimate. It needs to be reworked or completely deleted from the game.

If we really want to keep Resurrect in the game, then I suggest you to change it, it doesn’t work. Mercy should not have the power to deny first picks nor to fix an ally’s mistake.

(also Mercy is incredibly unfun to play)

I came up with a solution that gets rid of the unfun fix button.

1. Doctor’s enthusiasm

A brand new secondary ability which enhances Mercy’s beam rates for 4 seconds with a 16 second cooldown.
Mercy lacks midfight potential, she’s played only because of Resurrect. With a burst healing ability, Mercy doesn’t need another main healer by her side to help her with healing tanks in fights. Healing is increased from 50 hp/s to 75 hp/s. Damage boosting is decreased from 30% to 20%, boosts your target’s fire rate by 20%.

2. Pacifist beliefs

A brand new ultimate ability with an 0.8 cast time and line of sight requirement.
When Pacifist Beliefs is activated, every ally in a 15 meter radius, who isn’t behind an enemy barrier, recieves one Halo buff . This buff prevents your allies from dying. When their HP status reaches 0, they’re given 50% of their max HP back. Every time an ally gets saved by this buff, all targets around that ally within a 10 meter radius recieve a 10 hp/s uninterrupted healing for 2 seconds.
This buff is active for 10 seconds and Mercy has to be in constant line of sight with her allies. When Mercy breaks line of sight an ally, she has 2 seconds to make a line of sight contact with the ally.
This Halo buff can be removed by Ana’s biotic grenade or by eliminating Mercy.

@Foxter-2791

Rez back on ult, it brings up 2 players that are close by. Rezing takes slightly longer to do.

Put her current ult on an ability, she doesn’t fly around but she does healing to eveyone for a short amount of time. Hopefully making up for the healing nerf. But yet not flying around makes it easier to counter too.

Now the problem with these fourms, controversial I know. But if anyone remembers a couple years ago. There was mass threads hating on dps mains being made by Mercy players. Every single thread even if it wasn’t related had some type of line like “tippical dps mains” somewhere in it. You couldn’t post anything without being flamed for having a dps in your most played.

Back then, it did start with a lot Tracer and Genji one tricks coming on and complaing about their hero and how they were being killed to much. Which lead mass hate towards all dps mains. Even if you didn’t play those two dps. And these did die down, I don’t see tracer and genji one tricks anymore like I use to. Eveyone learned to flex. Unfortunately Mercy was unchanged still so it just left a lot of Mercy one tricks who haven’t needed to flex yet.

Unfortunately I am putting the blame on all this Mercy main hate, on Mercy players. Much like the dps brought it on themselves those years ago. They came on, demanding their own hero to be the best again without having any type of proper conversation or good ideas. And naturally that starts hate.

All I see if “she’s unfun” “fix her” “revert her”. Im sorry but not feedback at all. That’s just aggressive hate towards devs. Much like the Tarcer and Genji mains once did, which actually lead to those hero’s being nerfed and counters for them being put in.

To make this better, there needs to be better criticism from Mercy players rather than just complaining about it. And actually suggest ideas that could work.

Just a few from the first non mercy stop spam or mercy is fine posts I came across

@Maka-21687

My point is Mercy needs to be bad at something.

She is, making the player have fun.

@Maka-21687

Do you want Mercy’s healing output buffed ?

Yes

@Maka-21687

Should mercy be able to heal more than Ana who needs to aim and reload and can miss her shots ?

No but she never has the 60 hps was in response to ana’s extremely high healing making her even more of a troll pick than she already was

@Maka-21687

Do you want Mercy’s rez to be more easier to pull off ?

No I want E rez gone preferably with the return of mass rez but not necessary

@Maka-21687

And make her instantely a must pick again ?

Of course not

@Maka-21687

Do you want to make mercy’s mobility even crazier than it already is ?

Its the only fun thing about her plus its already tied to teammates making her mobility pretty limited in certain situations giving her weakness with her mobility

@Maka-21687

She NEEDS.

That average damage per game tho

@Maka-21687

Even Ana who is actually the best healer is fairly easy to take down due to her lack of mobility and survivability option.

Yep yep

@Maka-21687

Any buff to mercy would make her dominate the support roster and y’all know it .

Which is why most want a rework or revert because we think E rez is absolutely busted and causes her to have a lot of her fun toned down and will always have her be op or up because of it heck most mercy players wouldnt even think the hps nerf would do much they thought E rez was so op but who knew reducing a healers main purpose of healing by a 6th would do the trick to put her in troll pick again

@Maka-21687

As a Mercy player since day one, she has always been (and still is) a good alternative to provide proper healing in a simple way.

I mean simple healing yeah but so can zen and I’d argue its better to have him over mercy

@Maka-21687

Maybe the devs’ stats don’t show how her state is “bad”, maybe she’s just OK, like average, not OP, not UP, but just OK.

Multiple high ranking mercy mains from even back when she was a troll pick with mass rez have dropped a lot of sr

[Melke-1420]

You’re right any BUFF without compensation nerfs would be bad.
A series of several buffs and nerfs is what we need. In other words A REWORK

[Nozomi-2276]

My point is Mercy needs to be bad at something.

Sure let’s take hero who’s main purpose is healing and make her bad at it because nobody is perfect.

Do you want Mercy’s healing output buffed ? Should mercy be able to heal more than Ana who needs to aim and reload and can miss her shots ? -> Mercy dominates again

There’s big difference between healing output and ability to save allies. Mercy can’t insta heal or boost her healing anyhow. She have FIXED hp/s output while Ana can insta-heal with anti-nade and have hp/s boost on top of that(not to mention her utility with healing debuff, sleep dart and nano). Even now Mercy pretty easy gets her top-healing plate at the end of a match but that explains nothing but her suitability to heal constantly while not able to burst/insta heal in difficult situations then there’s only her E-Rez why we need her at battlefield wich is pretty dumb.

[LftClickhero-2970]

Do you want Mercy’s healing output buffed ? Should mercy be able to heal more than Ana who needs to aim and reload and can miss her shots ? -> Mercy dominates again

am going to get hate but, YEES. just becuase ana does a simailr job to mercy but harder doesnt automatically mean she should better at it. its like saying orisa should be the better main tank because its harder for her to do reinhardts job at protecting teams and pushing forward or that mei should be the best dps character becuase it a lot harder for her to land shots as consistently as mcree or widow. its like saying reaper should be the best flanker because its harder for him to well compared to tracer or gengi. its a petty argument and it needs stop being such a driving force between these two.

Ana has always been capable of higher HPS than mercy even after she was gutted. Even before this rework and whilst ana was gutted, ana was still capable of more HPS with enough skills. had vastly superior effectiveness in her utility and had vastly more dmg capability.

Do you want Mercy’s rez to be more easier to pull off ? And make her instantely a must pick again ?

its already so much easier to use than mass res, its just a pain to use and it goes against her design ethos of being a high mobility consistency healer. not one mercy main want it to be better because full well know what its like if blizzard dont do proper balance checks.

Do you want to make mercy’s mobility even crazier than it already is ?

no we dont, its already the most fun and best part of her kit we shouldn’t change whats not broken

Maybe Mercy shouldn’t have all this power and do so much with minimal efforts.

i think in the past year, in the absence of high skill character that used to dominate, people have overly romanticized the efforts required to make many characters work effectively at their basic form.

you can say ana is one the hardest characters in the game to use at the end of the day most of the time for the vast majority of us are going to be so close to our teams behinds that we could manually inject them with health, no gun required and that works wonders.

sure the higher you gp the better equiped people are to take advantage of your weaknesses and she should have higher impact not just in pure number of health healed. her impact should come from her nades her sleep and ability to do decent amounts of dmg. to better gauge how good you are ana shouldn’t be about comparing youre healing numbers to people who better equipped to do it but it should come from and how you are able to use her kit in all its form to your best advantage which fyi is a lot better than what mercy is capable of nowadays.

[lobster-12673]

She was bad at something once. Before the rework she had no midfight utility and that’s why many preferred Ana. And mercy should not be bad at healing, it’s literally the only thing she’s doing, while Ana and Moira can deal damage.

[stormlord199-1672]

Considering mercy still out heals ana at ever rank still. Also ana can actually deal damage. Ana shouldn’t heal more than a character that doesn’t provide any damage for her team Mercy. Mercy and ana both have two utility on cooldown. Mercy heals more. Ana deals more damage.

[stormlord199-1672]

Compared to all other heros with mobility. Mercy is the only one that relies on her teammates to use that crazy mobility. Also yes mercy should have the avereage healing output. Valk Her new ult is basically been Watertown into a ability on long cooldown.

[KinkyClam-1212]

but never suggest any change they’d like to see.

Excuse me what??? There are tons of people explaining why Mass Res before the invuln patch was actually UP and that it should return as it will be the only reliable to counter to bad ult management.

[Tinks-1688]

Mercy used to dictate every single match.
If you didn’t have her on your team and your opponent did you were instantly at a disadvantage.
This current state is soooooo much better.

[Crow-14121]

She’s been one of the most popular hero since day 1, she’s been insanely OP for almost a year and now that she’s not at the top she’s in a “bad state” she is “trash” and people even call her an “off healer” but never suggest any change they’d like to see.

Mercy players don’t care whether she’s the most popular hero or not. A lot of players gravitated to Mercy because they wanted to play a pure healer, wanted to be able to help their team in an impactful way despite maybe not having aim, or they were new to FPS games and Mercy was a good start for them.

As for the second part of that, people do suggest changes…at lot…if you’re looking for a detailed thread, check out Titanium’s. If you’re looking for a video, there are plenty of those too. There are lots of suggestions that have been concise and well thought out by people on all levels of the ladder.

She is in a bad state right now. She is an off healer. I don’t play Mercy anymore because her healing output simply can’t keep up and her utility simply isn’t worth it when I could be running someone like a Moira, Brig, or Ana. One rez just isn’t cutting it (and no, I’m not calling for going back to having 2-3 rezzes in valk I’m just saying that it’s not worth running her for the one rez), especially if you have to leave your team to go do it, meaning that they’re getting even less healing, causing even more people to go down (and yes,–I do call out rezzes so our other healing is aware).

The problem with mercy is that she’s one of the easiest hero to handle,

Yes and no. Mercy is easy to pick up, but you won’t survive long on the ladder with her if you don’t learn how to use her kit to the fullest, especially when it comes to her mobility, knowing when to move and out of cover during fights, who to pocket and when to dmg boost vs heal, and when to use valk in an impactful way. A player using her has to have a strong awareness and game sense in order to be good with her, especially in higher tiers.

Do you want Mercy’s healing output buffed ? Should mercy be able to heal more than Ana who needs to aim and reload and can miss her shots ? -> Mercy dominates again

I think what a lot of people ignore is that Mercy is the only pure healer in the game. Every other support character has a kit that allows them to help their team in multiple ways be it through cc’ing or offsetting the dps if their team’s dps isn’t pulling their weight. Mercy’s options currently (other than healing) are dmg boost (which she doesn’t often have time for now that her healing has been nerfed) and taking out her pistol (which will get her in trouble with her team because “stupid Mercy isn’t playing her role”). Mercy should have the best healing output because that is literally what she was designed for. If not healing, then give her dmg boost a buff to offset the fact that they’re not using her as a pure healer anymore.

Do you want Mercy’s rez to be more easier to pull off ? And make her instantely a must pick again ?

No, and personally, I would even be fine with a revert that made rez not grant invulnerability. As many have suggested, that was where the trouble started for her.

Do you want to make mercy’s mobility even crazier than it already is ?

No. Her mobility is fine.

Maybe Mercy shouldn’t have all this power and do so much with minimal efforts.

By that logic, we should make any character with simpler mechanics less impactful and less of a desired pick in their given category. Simple mechanics does not equal minimal effort to play. In the past, bad Mercy players would get punished on the ladder. You know why? They wouldn’t rez at the right time. They wouldn’t know who to dmg boost or when. They wouldn’t be able to get away from flankers. Those sorts of things took skill and game sense to learn. Just like with any hero, you have to learn not just their kit, but their playstyle too–and NO hero is minimal effort, no matter what their kit, be it a character like Widow who requires good aim, or Rein who requires impeccable game sense.

The tl;dr: It’s not that players want Mercy to be a must pick. They just want to be able to pick her and feel like they’re actually contributing to their team again.

[Absql-1290]

She’s been one of the most popular hero since day 1

So you acknowledge that one of the main reasons Mercy is picked so much is because she is popular?

[Absql-1290]

Yeah! Cause if you have a Mercy on your team, you are instantly at a disadvantage.

[ChivasUK-1987]

All I could find behind this wall text is “more mercy nerfs, nerf her into the ground!”

[Sly-13591]

Do you want Mercy’s rez to be more easier to pull off ? And make her instantely a must pick again ?

No, actually.

Most people want Res to either be her ult again or even gone completely so they have room to buff her somewhere else.

Literally no one wants to buff Res as it is.

[Arceus-2238]

Any buff to mercy would make her dominate the support roster and y’all know it .

I’m relieved that you’re not on the development team.