Her dmg boost needs to be slightly scary for it to be useful… kind of like a discord orb. People play so much more carefully when discorded and even use Zarya to remove it. And they even go for Zen first to get rid of him. because he’s too strong.
But when it comes to Mercy dmg boost, none of this is applied. Chase Mercy, dont go alone. Heck, you can even think of MAshe as an off-tank. You wouldn’t try to kill a Hog or Dva by yourself.
People are gonna get Mercy’s dmg boost nerfed because they don’t know how to counter it, and then when someone on their team is gonna pick Mercy, they’re gonna tell them to switch because Mercy is useless with her new nerfs
You can’t really compare DB to Discord because to Discord a target and keep it on the enemy, Zen needs to position himself in dangerous spots to maintain LoS, meanwhile Mercy can hide behind cover, often somewhere on highground areas that are even harder to reach for the enemy.
The way discord works is also completely different, while it can also enable one-shots from Ashe it requires far more coordination to do it consistently, meaning Zen and Ashe need to cooperate a lot more than Mercy has to do with Ashe (calling out discorded targets and so on). Also, The position Zen is mostly in makes it hard for him to do exactly that, since he can’t easily reach high ground areas he is not able to discord enemies behind shields, Mercy on the other hand can damage boost Ashe on highground areas where she is able to shoot behind or over enemy shields.
Another weakness discord has is being able to be “cleansed” by Zarya. Damage boost on the other hand makes you burst down Zaryas bubbles even fast without having to reapply it every time a bubble is used.
Overall Mercys damage boost is a lot more deadly when pocketing Ashe or anyone else, it definitely is a lot easier to use than discord and in many cases more efficient. That’s why no one complains about discord but about DB.
It’s not the same, its better. Mercy can AFK, while Zen can frag out at the same time. Mercy is dedicated to keeping the beam up, Zen can AFK the damage boost and kill things also. Twice the killing power.
Still wont get rid of pharmercy because natural synergy. People thought Echo would take that spot but it didn’t because of how different their playstyles are
Mercy heals Ashe, Mercy resurrects Ashe, Mercy is hidden behind a pole.
In the meantime your Zen has to keep LoS to keep discord on and he can be killed. Discorded player can hide for 3 seconds to get rid of discord.
Mercy+Ashe? Pray that Ashe is not a good sniper. You can’t reach Ashe you can’t reach Mercy. Then pray that you Genji can reach and kill both and not get one shot in the process.
This is especially true when one of the head developers (I forgot which one) said that Mercy was fine because “Ashe is in the game now” early in Ashe’s life in the game.
As long as Mercy has DB, all she can ever be is a pocket for DPS. That isn’t fun. I want Mercy to be a true healer again. They can only do this by replacing DB with something else.
Personally, I’d turn DB into Damage reduction, but I’m open to suggestions.
Really? We’re gonna fight over damage boost versus discord? NEITHER one is hard. Damage boost and discord both don’t require much in the way of mechanical skill to apply.
Damage boost requires los on the teammate who you are boosting whereas zens requires los on the enemy targeted. This puts zen in a more vulnerable position, but the trade off is that zen, unlike mercy can multitask. ANY source of damage on the discorded target is boosted whereas Mercy only boosts one teammate.
Her safer positioning is normally compensated by the fact that she can’t heal or do damage herself. Zen can do both while maintaining his team wide damage boost. It’s a fair trade.
Damage boost is very specifically a problem on Ashe. So let’s say damage boosting mercy is a. Ashe is b. And ANY other dps is a different letter following:
a+b is broken.
a+c is not.
a+d is not
etc…
Wouldn’t that imply that b (Ashe) is the problem, and not a (damage boost).
TBH, I think DB is actually pretty enjoyable and having anyone in your beam during Valk have damage reduction would honestly likely be beyond awful to play into (of course it depends on how much the reduction is, but even 30% damage reduction on the entire team could very likely bring about Moth Meta 2). If anything, I’d like to see damage reduction as an ability (replacing rez when out of Valk), as would allow for strategic uses (do you use it to save an out of place ally or one that is going head first into trouble or to try and heal them back up).
Geoff literally said when Ashe was introduced in a Blizzcon interview w a streamer that Mercy + Ashe was an intentionally strong combo and a “buff to Mercy”.
You really think they “Accidentally” made it so Ashe 1 shots with Mercy boost? lmao you’re complaining about something Geoff put into the game on purpose.
Accidentally? It’s simple mathematical equation and you think Blizzard did not calculate that one?
I mean look at those roadhog buffs, those were not accidental as well, right? What is the result? Streams of whiners plagued the forums for a week until experimental is out.
I’m Sorry But 60hps Wouldn’t Be OP when We Have Ana and Moira and Somewhat Baptiste. Her Healing In GM was For a while the third lowest. If You Nerf Her Utilty Buff Her Healing And Maybe her other utilty Rez
My point is Geoff isn’t going to nerf Mercy’s damage boost that has been the same for 4 years and not a problem just bc she’s working too well with the hero he INTENTIONALLY added to work well with her. Ashe Mercy has been able to one shot for over a year but it’s just now a problem? Maybe because Ashe got like 7 consecutive buffs to her gun this year + we are in a shield-less Hog meta that will end as soon as Experimental goes live.
You realize Ashe was meta in OWL the past 2 months without Mercy…right? She’s a better version of other the hitscan even without a pocket.
Geoff also said this about damage boost to me a while ago:
Sounds to me like they’d buff it if anything. Nerfs seem kinda of out of the question when he literally said this.
