it strikes me as people dont want to watch fights devolve into a mercy hide & rez
either it was a main reason or a side reason e-sport has a value in the matter.
As i said, i stated the actual reason for the change in my reply
Honestly I haven’t even seen a mass rez post in a while, this is the first one in a while.
Oh definitely, don’t think they wanted a support to have that big of a shining moment in OWL.
Well, you see, I want her changed because she is hot, but I do not have fun playing her. Quite the conundrum. That is why I support all the crazy Mercy mains going after Blizz. It is like, gives us the change we deserve, fam. Fight the good fight. Viva revolution, or whatever.
… Hitscan pistol pls.
Absolutely
To be honest, they could have experimented with the other two options before doing something as drastic as a rework. Like, remove invul on res, or something like that. Give res a LoS. It honestly wasn’t hard to balance.
Blizzard takes their sweet time with balancing, so it isn’t too far fetched to think that. I mean, look at heroes like Bastion who had gotten trashed after his rework from 2 years ago. Not a word on reverting him when it would honestly be the best thing instead of building upon his mistakes while a large majority agree that he needs a revert, or at least something that isnt Ironclad.
Or the war crime committed against Roadhogs kit. People have that right to be peeve, and its going to keep happening to each hero since D.VA was the most recent victim of this.
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Balance wasn’t the issue.
What was it then? People say that balance was the main issue even though I disagree with the sentiment
Because old mercy was boring for everyone who wasn’t a mercy main. Also because mass rez was stupid and denied the primary reward for playing a FPS by unkilling people when you win a fight. They could have easily made it “balanced” but it wasn’t fun for anyone except Mercy.
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I mean, I wasn’t a Mercy main but I found her substantially more fun than Valk. I can’t say that for everyone, but it was a lot more impactful than what it is now.
And thats kinda the point - to counter DPS/Tank snowballs when they use too many ults. With no utility or burst heals, she makes up by countering a complete snowball, which is a prevalent issue right now in Overwatch since ults are “I win” buttons since 2 heroes is enough to lose a team fight.
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Hm, i like to disagree.
Since Mercy is and was the most reliable healer, even if we ignore res, of all sups, she was at the very least fun to paly with on the same team too. Mass Res only added onto that with the big swing factor. Playing as and with Mercy just felt right… as long as you are not following the hivemind opinion of streamers, which just wanted you to yell at her to hide.
But anyway… so much about playing with her on the same team.
Playing agaisnt her… well… It’s difficult. If you were only thinking about the game as a pure FPS you would most likely not have fun playing against Mass Res. I get that.
Yet if you did play Overwatch and not just an FPS, i would like to argue that she was a very enjoyable challange to play against since just shooting and killing wouldn’t grant you a win.
No you had to play smart and strategic to win.
In comparison to that, with Valkyrie Mercy, playing as her feels just like something major is missing and that you don’t get properly rewarded for your efforts.
Playing with her feels just like before, only that you never get the feeling that she ever used her Ult at least once. Making her feel a bit pointless to play with (Just to emphasize that, I’m not saying that Mercy is too weak).
And if we look at playing against her… it’s now the most boring thing in the game.
You can just ignore her basically and if she/he is a good Mercy palyer, she get’s just highly annoying with the Val movement and SJ, E res’s and the self heal.
As i see it the unfun card is just as important, if not more than with Mercy 1.x.
Especially because the players of Mercy don’t enjoy her (I know that some still do, but it’s no secret that the rework straight up cut her community in half… Basically the entire Overwatch community)
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I always feel like that with Mercy.
When I use Valk at the good time, Rez the good teammate, pocket the good one, kill an annoying enemy.
Ana doesn’t really get the satisfaction of the nano, she only press one button then she crossed her fingers that the NanoGenji knows what he’s doing.
For me, Mercy and Baptiste are the funniest supports to play thanks to their versatility, even if their ultimates are not the bests.
She was too mandatory. Know she’s great and she’s still love and pick.
Agree! GA, beams, rez, superjump, little blaster, she’s so great 
She has, but not all the support as the same.
I feel you can feel similarities between Lucio/Moira, Ana/Zen, Mercy/Bapt, also Bapt/Ana and Brig/Lucio.
I think we could say we have different standards.
With Mercy 1.0, I felt it was really boring and really hated her playstyle. When they reworked her I found my new main.
And now, with Bapt, I found my alternative when Mercy’s HPS is not enough 
I didn’t read your thread, did you suggest some changes after all?
Same for me! Most of the time, my DPS leave me a little message at the end of the round “Mercy <3”, feels good.
Would be nice. I think the best reaction for a rework was for Torb’s.
I’ve seen many players (Torb OTP) be like “I don’t like it, well I’ll move on or try new heroes.” but none was triggered this much.
Same for Sym’s rework which changed drastically Sym, in that case, I understand why her playerbase can be upset (with even her primary weapon changed) but it seems like they move on for most of it.
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The ReworkMercy “movement” got as close to a cult as you can get in gaming.
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A group of people who organize forum raids on discord, that is a very cultist-like thing.
It exists, trust me.
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You mix up Aria Rose fans with people genuinely caring about Mercy and who are able to form their own opinions. Those two groups are not the same and the former was the one that took part in the forum raid.
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Referring to a group as cultists sounds more like a cheap way of trying to counter a point through insults in lieu of any rational arguments.
I’m guessing the term “cultist” spread like wildfire amongst those who disagreed with Mass rez? Ironic, but apparently toxicity is perfectly fine just so long as it’s pointed in the “right” direction.
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What “point”? Arguing for a character rework because they’re no longer “fun” isn’t making a point. There’s no sense in even arguing against that because the answer is always going to be “fun is subjective.” That reality is what led to Aria Rose’s forum raid. You’re never going to get anywhere with that argument.
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Describing a group that behaves like a cult with the right term is toxic, since when ?
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she is fun
but she could be allowed to do more/be more impactful in better ways if they’d replace/rework her E ability
imo
i also don’t think they need to bother putting any more time into her since she is balanced. it’s just messy and her kit could be a lot smoother/cleaner.
if she’s not FUN, play a hero you find fun
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I’m sorry, no matter what a minority did, it doesn’t give you the right to demean an entire group of people and reduce their arguments to being “cultist.”
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You’re being disingenuous. Speaking as someone who was there, there were plenty of people making good points on both sides, name calling like cultist and forum raids did absolutely nothing to forward the discussion.
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