Mass Rez is an ult that can be preventable or counter-played. Bring back Mass Rez

So Mercy (imo) has been less rewarding, less fun, and less impactful since Valk came into the picture over a year ago.
I have since learned how to kickass with Widowmaker, put 230+ hours on her just playing arcade and honing my aim.
Yet, despite having a blast and getting dopamines every time I HS kill someone, if Mercy got her mass rez back as an Ult, I’d drop Widow in a heartbeat and start maining Mercy again.
So why do I have this mindset? And why would Mercy’s old Ultimate would make me enjoy Overwatch as a whole again? Here are my reasons:

  • More Rewarding

Old Mercy is rewarding as hell when I rez people, even if it’s just 1 teammate. Why? Well the more I heal (or do damage with the pistol), the more the ULT meter builds up to get the Rez. A mass rez as an ult IS the big pay off, like saying “Good job playing Mercy and watching over your teammates, here is your Ultimate that can bring people back to life, because you earned it” kinda thing.

With current Mercy, you do a gj healing or whatever to build up Ult, and once you activate Valk, you just sorta, do the exact same thing, but you’re flying this time. And that usually doesn’t impact the tide of the game.
There are many times Valk feels useless because another Ult can kill your teammates faster than you can heal. It’s not as rewarding as the old ultimate, not even by a little bit for me.
And since current Mercy’s Rez is now the E ability on a cool down, using it doesn’t feel rewarding as well.
I never earned it. It’s just there, no matter how good or bad I play, it will always give me a potential 1-man rez, no matter what. That game style isn’t rewarding at all.

  • Why Mass Rez is fun to play against

“Haha!” You DPS mains reacts. “But Songstrider, how the heck can you say that mass rez is fun to play against? Surely you jest!”
Before you stop reading and disregard everything I typed out, hear me out.
Sure, we all get mad playing Overwatch. It’s a given.
Say, everyone’s doing fine capturing a point until suddenly, a surprise death blossom just ruins everything. Wipes out your team completely.
You start to get annoyed. You start to express your anger over voice chat. Maybe you start pointing fingers at your teammates for a preventable event, or maybe you just want to vent how its unfair.
Well guess what? Many, many Ultimates are “unfair” if played right. I know gaming and anger goes hand to hand, but why was there so much anger for Mass Rez, that it has to be taken out?
It’s an ultimate that can also be preventable, if not, counter-played.
And that adds another layer of strategy! Another layer of fun!
“Hey, we killed almost everyone on the enemy team except for the Mercy, what should we do?”

Choice A)
Bait the Mercy and kill her before she gets into the radius to do mass rez.
This is a rather difficult thing to pull off since Mercy can instantly rez and have invulnerability. But, I’ve seen AND experienced many scenarios where mcrees, widows, 76s, sombras, junkrats, roadhogs… etc etc with their abilities, prevent Mercy from reaching that Rez radius.
Killing Mercy last is obviously a bad idea, but if you manage to kill her last, it’s icing on the cake. It’s satisfying. It’s fun to pull off if you do.

Choice B)
Wait for Mercy to do mass rez, so you can counter-play the newly rezzed enemy team with a counter-ult/ability of your own.
This is a much easier task to do compared to Choice A, but it’s a very common counter-play to do and/or experience.
Those who has played Overwatch between launch and the Mercy rework, you know what I’m talking about!
Ok, here’s a familiar scenario:
Mercy uses Mass Rez to revive all 5 teammates. You can do one of the following:

  1. Use say, Lucio’s/Pharah’s/Roadhog’s boop ability/ult, to do environmental kills if the mass rez occurs near a ledge.
  2. Use destructive ults to re-wipe the newly rezzed enemy team.
    Examples: Self-destruct, Dragonstrike, Dragonblade, Deadeye, Tank, Death Blossom, Pulse Bomb… etc etc
  3. Start nervously running around shooting, like a chicken with it’s head cutoff, because your whole team wasted all their Ults for that team wipe you all pulled off, and you have nothing left to counter-play the newly rezzed enemy team.

#3 is common among solo groups or among new players, because you’re all not coordinated or anticipating to counter-play or prevent the mass rez.
And this is where the vocal minority comes from. They start saying Mass Rez is unfair, and have no counter-play, and Mercy should be reworked or deleted.
The thing is, it’s on you. And it’s a mistake that Mass Rez capitalizes on to be a successful ult.
This is why old school Mercy mains develop a skill to keep track on which enemy still has their ult, to decide whether to use their mass rez or not.
Higher rank players and partied groups, starts pulling off #1’s and #2’s, but #3’s usually happens among these uncoordinated teams.

But for those who consistently pulls of #1’s and #2’s, isn’t it fun to counter play mass rez? Hearing that “Team Kill” after pulling off something like that, makes it rewarding and satisfying, and it’s overall: FUN.
So YES.
Mass Rez is fun to play against if you’re anticipating it!

Bottom line, Mercy used to be a hero that gives off hope. That gives you a second chance to win. She is an angel after all, and with all the destructive, violent, powerful ults in the game, it’s only fitting we have 1 hero that has an ultimate that gives you a second chance.

And we need that back.

#revertmercy #bringbackmassrez #mercy3.0

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I take it back

I rather see 5 more pharah ult threads

Not like this

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Wanna know why I don’t mind Mercy threads?

Because it’s fun watching people get so annoyed by them.

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There is a sadistic/masochistic appeal to seeing/expecting another Mercy thread and just groaning and imagining all the people groaning at glance I will admit

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I honestly wished Blizzard waited on the rework, cause Moira was being released and heroes like Ana (at the time), Reaper, and Bastion were in a worse spot than her.

But they didn’t, and this is what we got.

The game is now hyper-focused on time, and Mass Rez goes against that.

Would it be nice to see with some tweak? I dunno, wished we could use the PTR for more testing things like alternate kits and such.

Never really had to deal with Mass Rez all that much, most I experienced it was in Uprising.

I’m just more disappointed that Blizzard didn’t give any details as to how her rework went. We got that with Symm. We got that with Hanzo. But eh, what can you do?

I mean most Mercy threads have some the “best” back and forths. Really nice to past the time when doing chores and perusing the forums.

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they need to hive mass res a cast time and no invulnerability with no movment and line of sight. 4 second cast time should be just fine. if somehow its too hard to res anybody, go to 3 seconds. but 4 should be fine.

It is entertaining I must say even thou it is also saddening :disappointed_relieved:

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We can also just make it Single person Rez on Ult or just scrap both Rez and Valk I’m fine with those more than yours, I will say.

that works too, but blizzard luterally did not try to balance it. not one time.

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This argument that Mass Rez was “more engaging” is so funny to me. You rezzed your whole team while being invulnerable, in a second or two. Now your team is alive. YAY! Please tell me what’s so fun and engaging about that.

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That’s what truely ticks me off TBH. They do nothing for many heroes for long periods of time and then wham buffs, nerfs and bug fixes then nothing again.

Deadeye has a kinda faster cast time than current Rez, and it’s still considered a suicide meme button. Upping Rez’s by 1.25-2secs would be ridiculous even as an ult.

At this point I’m holding out for a Mercy v3 with no Valk or Rez tbh. Seems like the best chance to take what work(s/ed) about both and make it better.

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They provided an immediate impact for the team.

Valk doesn’t have the immediate factor. It’s lasts too long in a game that’s all about quick plays, strong pushes. Valk isn’t fast, lasting 15 seconds-and is almost too versatile.

Valk tries to be too many things at once and it suffers for that.

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countering with another ult is problematic because it encourages the enemy team to ruin ult economy further even though it’s supposed to… counter poor ult economy. there needs to be non ult counterplay to mass rez that also drains Mercy of ult charge whilst preventing the rez from going off like almost every other ult in the entire game with the same power level. Even then it’s not the healthiest mechanic and is better off out bc people would whine about such an iteration of rez.

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before somebody comes along and says “no but they did try to balance it” i must say that applying invulnerability to an ultimate is the EXACT OPPOSITE OF BALANCE MY PHONES CALCULATOR APP COULD TELL YOU THAT. ahem. i remember them saying something like “mercy had to sacrifice herself to rez”… there is a potential answer to that too. its in front of our face even now. when you ressurect somebody they turn invulnerable and are frozen for a time. how about 2 things: add that 4 or 3 second cast time thst was obviously, desperatly needed. and give invulnerability AFTER the cast is completed.

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More engaging since your positioning matters more for an AOE that is centered on you (thereby requiring you to sometimes jet into the fight before you get blown-up) and has a very noticeable change in the fight then compared Valkyrie which is power-over-time and allows you to do all that while being completely removed from the flight the entire time.

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You’re not getting mass rez back get it through your thick skulls. The sooner you accept it the better off you’ll be

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Mass Rez is an ultimate that no longer exist since well over a year ago

Iftfy

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i have to entirlly disagree with you there. its great being this massive help saving your team, but the instant cast and invulnerability is trash.

remove ressurect completly or add cast time and possibly after cast invulnerability like your previously dead teamates is the only options to have a mercy that isnt a scapped pile of junk.

also, i say 4 second cast, because i am expecting it to be a more opportunistic ultimate. 3 seconds is probably a better time. but even though current E res is a 4 second cast it is pulled off fairly commonly though your team. i think it should require team comunication not even coordination, a pinch of luck, and often a tank to resurect 1 or 4 people. with 5 man being a rare thing from hiding from an unusually situationsly unaware team.

Yeah that was BS balancing of Mass Rez (adding invulnerability).

I do not like Rez without a cast-time because it feels like nothing; however, I should at least be able to shoot back while casting and generally not be movement impaired to such an extent as 75% movement reduction.

IDK, maybe invulnerability is “needed”, but I just don’t care for it because invulnerability isn’t really interesting at all because its an absolute state.