Double barrier is no more an issue than any meta. Meta is a problem. Flat. People just complained about dive getting ball nerfed.
Meta sucks. Not brig or any one hero
Youâre smarter than this.
If they ever are going to fix âRein or Loseâ, especially for the bottom 95%.
They arenât going to be able to maintain this giant barrierhp difference between Rein, versus Orisa, Sigma.
If they fixed that by giving them comparable SingleBarrier capabilities.
Weâd be instantly in a DoubleBarrier meta.
Facts only go so far with some people. So donât worry about it.
For example, on Live, Brigitte does the least amount of healing besides Zen. She doesnât heal more than Lucio, on average, and is firmly in that off-healer role.
As a person that wants a brawly Brigitte, thatâs fine. Considering this post isnât even about balance to begin with. Its about fun. Iâll take a low healing, less peel Brigitte if I have the tanky brawler again.
Again⌠We have had metas sans brig.
Brig can be wholesale removed and still we would have rein jail.
Social factors are not meta factors and meta factors are not inherently tied to any hero
I think youâre kind of ignoring that Iâm looking for a solution for the +95% of the playerbase.
Where you keep repeating that the top 5% often runs different compositions.
To me, solving the roadblock are high tier, is just a hurdle to get to a solution for medium/low tier.
95% of the playbase donât see brig. And have been in rein jail before brig. So your solution is a non sequitur for me.
Brig isnât a problem for lower ranks. As meta is not an issue for lower ranks.
If sheâs a roadblock preventing +95% of the playerbase from having good alternatives to Rein, then sheâs a problem for that +95% of the playerbase.
I would see where these changes leave Brigitte and go from there; the idea of these changes is to make her peel worse and make her front line presence stronger:
Brigitte
- Base health increased from 150 to 200
Repair Pack
- Number of charges reduced from 3 to 1
- HPS increased from 55 to 75 (total healing from 110 to 150)
- Now grants up to 25 armor over-heal; armor max duration is 6 seconds
- Max range reduced from 30 to 20 meters
Whip Shot
- Knockback reduced by 10%
- Damage reduced from 70 to 60
Barrier Shield
- Regeneration rate increased from 85 to 90 health per second
- Cooldown when destroyed reduced from 5 to 4 seconds
Shield Bash
- Damage increased from 5 to 20
Rally
- Max armor duration reduced from 30 to 20 seconds
- Ultimate cost reduced from 2800 to 2500 points
Syncing up Brigitteâs Repair Pack range with her Whip-shot & Inspire range I think is important. You want Brigitte to have to be within 20 meters to do anything at all so that you canât use her so easily in dive with 30 meter Repair Pack range and peel for a teammate from so far away. Just making this change allows them to buff her stats some so she can survive better in a brawl. For the number of Repair Pack charges, you could make it 2 instead of 1 and weaken the healing to something less than 150 so that you can use it to heal up the lower health heroes on your team easier; I think 3 Repair Packs is too much and causes you to have to turn too much when you wanna be on the front-line. Again, the goal of these changes is to weaker her peel & strengthen her sustain to let her stay on the front-line better.
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Again⌠Sheâs not!
She isnât creating double barrier as we have seen.
If double barrier exists without brig
And rein is being used without brig
And rein was being used before brig
Then there is no connection to brig.
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I get the feeling either for canât understand what Iâm saying, or youâre just being deliberately dishonest.
Give me a reduction to the movement speed penalty with her barrier and Iâll take it!
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Yup. We just had ball/tracer/echo dive. Last season of owl was mostly winston/zarya/reaper/sombra/moira/lucio. Brig hasnât killed dive.
This sounds really reasonable to me, too; I would definitely be willing to give that a shot
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Well please. I canât figure it out.
Lower ranks had rein jail before brig.
Lower ranks have rein jail when brig doesnât exist.
Double barrier exists without brigâŚ
So where does brig factor in? If a meta is orisa sigma baptiste zen⌠Where does even giving brig haters their dream of removal ⌠Fix that?
If lower ranks arenât using brig⌠Where does changing brig at all fix anything for them?
Iâm not seeing a connection
That or make her barrier even a little more tanky than what I had it at.
Those numbers arenât exactly finalized, but I think something like it would be great to fix Brigitteâs role in the game. 
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How about I keep it simple.
If they increased Sigma and Orisa barriers strength/regen to how strong it was in October 2019
(I.e. Around 900 Orisa barrier on 8sec cooldown, and 1200 Sigma barrier with higher regen.)
Would the game be in a DoubleBarrier meta, yes or no?
If they did the above changes, but for the sake of discussion Brig was moved to the Tank role, Mei was moved to the Tank role, Accretion didnât stun, Immortality Field didnât block close range damage from within the field, and knockbacks were reverted to how they were in 2018.
Would the game be in a DoubleBarrier meta, yes or no?
Again, this is equally assessed with wholesale removal. A much easier way to look at matters without accounting for various factors
If I net removed brig and baptiste and even mei⌠All LOW USE HEROES for lower ranks, will that make the meta of double shield go away just because sigma loses accretion?
No. I think it wonât. Those changes do nothing. You donât fix double barrier for low ranks by removal. And moving them as you argue either doesnât remove it per my earlier point or you just spawn a potentially new meta that just like any meta before with ânew heroesâ
The point being, that almost all sources of âUnmatrixable AntiDiveâ would be removed from play (That DoubleBarrier has access to).
Making it so that even if thereâs a ton of Barrier HP, it wouldnât matter, if the enemy just ignores the barriers, and moves past it.
Back then brig wasnât used in double barrier, and she was stronger back then than she is now. Back then used lucio/moira with reaper/mei or reaper/doomfist to bypass the barriers. One team tried running brig against reaper/doomfist and they got destroyed. They had to swap to moira. That was when brig had 200 health and 50 armor too.
Yup, Mei was used instead.
Same issue, different hero.
And youâre talking to the guy who suggested the specifics of almost all the Mei nerfs.