LW is high skillcap, not crap (Tips from 100hour player)

In my experience playing Lifeweaver(100 hours). I have simply come to the conclusion that LW is just a high skillcap champ. You have to know positioning, and champions abilities and cds in order to make the best predictions on when to pull someone. I feel his pull is what set people off more than anythig in the game probably. Being a very experienced LW myself, I get irritated when someone pulls me unecessarily, ESPECIALLY when I was about to kill someone and take an objective. I havbe been amazingly saved though at times and am irritated initially then was like wow thankyou. I have never once been complained about when I pull people. I have had people initially complain when I picked LW, but I have only ever had people sing praise about how good I was compared to what they had come across before. He is still newish and not often used. I think people just need to play him more and learn better how to use him.

-Just because someone is low does not mean they are going to die. They might be about to crush the other team in a combo attack. You need to be aware of what ults your team has, where everyone is, where the other team is, their ults, etc. Pulling your rein out if he is kind of low when he has 3 people with him including the other healer against 1 or 2 people on the other team isn’t really necessary unless it’s a bronze moira whose oblivious to healing and rein has like 10hp lol. Maybe you have a lucio who is 1 second from ulting. You should absolutely always pull someone being charged by enemy Rein :stuck_out_tongue: Most poeple are not aware that being pulled makes you immune to damage. I have pulled people with full hp right as a junk tire blows up on them to save their life. If someone has 1 hp and are ultd by a dva bomb they won’t die in the middle of a pull. Example: Twitch

-Positioning matters. You should always try to have good positioing in general as a player, especially as a healer, but as LW pulling someone it probably matters more at that moment than ever. Defensiviley you don’t just want to pull someone from one danger to another. Sometimes it can’t be helped and the attempt is nice, but you risk dying yourself pulling someone and the danger to yourself. Offensively, you again need ot know the cds and ults of who you are pulling and what they can do in that spot you are pulling them. You could just be killing them with bad positioning. I almost never pull someone offensively unless it is VERY OBVIOUS they want it to happen, or have asked for it.

-His healing range is MASSIVE. You can heal farther than anyone except scoped ana, but you can also arc your heals over walls and stuff which ana can’t do. The only annoying limit to his heals in my opinion is that they don’t go through barriers. When your team pushes past enemy Rein, Symm ult, Winston barrier, etc, not heals are going through.

-Lifts. Lifts are useful obviously, but not always just for you. Placing them so dps can shoot over walls they have no access to any other way is useful. Very useful things I have done with lifts is when enemy Mei walls off a teammate to be slaughtered, lifting myself over and pulling them back; When enemy Orisa ults, I drop one under her and away she goes hitting nothing and my team is in shock, same with enemy reaper ult although he can slowly move off and sometimes get 1 or 2 people instead of a team kill; when enemy Rein ults my team I always pull someone, and toss my lift under someone else to ALSO get them out; when enemy Ana sleeps someone, lift them away. There is just so many useful things you can lift for. Almost forgot, his lifts can take a bomb for you. If you hear a junk tire or dva bomb coming, you can use oyur lift and if it blows up under you, the lift will die but you will take no damage. Kind of like a Bap immortality.

Closing this random not completely thought out post with a few favorite moments:

Pulled my hog, who pulled enemy hog, who then pulled my hog.

Simple save and lift Kiriko

Saved ana at last minute while OVERTIME is ticking then jumped downmyself, and lifted myseelt for rein to get there. We won even htough our overtime ticked to 1%.

Bastion ultd by enemy Rein, Pulled and lifted to safety.

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His one heal is very low that’s the only issue.

His ult can be ignored in team fights because you can still focus one target down with 2 or more people quickly through it.

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Yeah unfortunately his heal being weak is a downfall… But that’s why you get 2 usually :smiley:

I’m convinced at this point that anyone saying that Weaver’s heal is still low is either dumb or hasn’t played the champ for more than like 10 minutes. Weaver has 99 problems but his healing isn’t one.

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a Max heal of 65 that has to be charged, and slows you if you hold it is not great healing lol. He is the weakest healer in the game, although I often have to top in the game :confused:

His heal got buffed to 75 in the patch update but even before that, his throughput was statistically still on par with nearly every other healer in the game. The devs literally confirmed this and I have played in hundreds of games at this point where his healing was either on par with or surpassed the other support. If you’re making proper use of the tree in addition to his regular abilities then his healing numbers are fine.

If you want to make the argument that his healing just doesn’t feel satisfying because you have to charge it and then get a movement penalty at full charge, that’s another story entirely.

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Nah i have 1400 hours on comp healing and his is by far the weakest lol. Didnt know about that buff; it might help. BUT not only is his heal a charge, but the reload and charge to full heal is like 3 seconds before oyu can even heal again. Its awful. Could care less what the devs think. Experience is going to tell.

It’s not about what the devs think. Its about the numbers. The numbers don’t lie. His healing throughput is fine.

What you’re describing is the experience of healing on Weaver, which you don’t like. The charge mechanics and the reload. I agree that those things don’t feel good to play with. But even despite those drawbacks his healing is still numerically on par with everyone else’s.

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100hr LW player needs to get a gawdamned LIFE! He might also wanna see a doctor, as patting himself on the back like that he probably pulled something.

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A pointless response. Next please.

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you have 100 hours on a LW that no longer exists

If oyu think Lifeweavers heal EVEN with his ult is on par with a Moira healing 5 people at the same time with TWO DIFFERENT abilities AT THE SAME TIME, then can literally ult 5 people ALSO at the same time lol, you are literally crazy.

you are talking about a LW that no longer exists

Moira’s an AoE healer and Weaver isn’t so naturally her numbers will be higher. Weaver’s like Mercy in that he’s mostly just a single-target healer until he ults.

If you go on Overbuff right now and look at his average healing numbers you’ll see that they fall in line with just about every other support. Moira & Bap are outliers because of their high aoe heals.

So yeah, Weaver’s healing isn’t the problem. The problem is that healing doesn’t win games.

Lucio and brig are both also aoe healers. But we will agree to disagree lol.

The numbers for healing might be the same but it’s the type of healing that is different many of the existing healing is instant when you need healing it’s there where LW healing is you needed healing let me charge a shot and send it in 0.5s later you may get it or already be dead so when playing with a LW one often needs to disengage to receive healing.

But that’s just how I found him probably completely different now

Continuing the discussion from Overwatch 2 Retail Patch Notes - June 13, 2023:

LW is only stronger. This doesn’t change anything about what I said about him lol

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They also have much lower hps on their aoe than Moira or Bap.

Moira: 70hps down to 51hps over 3 seconds.
Baptiste: 70hps / direct hit, 50hps for splash.

Lucio: 52hps
Brigitte: 15hps on inspire.

Soooo…yeah, the numbers aren’t really comprable :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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i easily pulled the biggest numbers on the board tonight with LW. His healing is good. On top of that i managed to get about 2k damage on the board for a quick play which is actually an improvement from before the patch. It’s his utility that is the problem, though i do like that grip heals on contact. i saved a few people with it and we won the matches (in QP). so the utility is improved and honestly I’m starting to enjoy using petal platform to get away if we’re losing a team fight. So not all bad at all. It’s just subjective on whether you think he’s fun to play or not. I think he is and the devs are on the right track with him.

I don’t know if you just took the line that his healing is bad from a streamer and went with it or what, but it’s been shown very well on youtube and twitch that he can be very effective at healing. More so no with buffs.

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