LW is high skillcap, not crap (Tips from 100hour player)

[Catastrophic-1713]

My whole post is about how good LW is lol what are you talking about?

[Mew-2126]

Personally, I have 43 hours of experience with the Lifeweaver. I consider myself to be skilled at positioning and understanding the abilities of both my teammates and opponents, thanks to my extensive 926 hours of playing as Mercy. Based on my experience, I believe that the Lifeweaver could benefit from a buff to its healing charge rate.

The recent change from 65 to 75 was a step in the right direction, but in practice, it’s rare to have a full charge when healing. The most effective healing occurs when the charge is between 30 and 60. After playing several hours with the Lifeweaver following the buff, I found that I rarely used the full 75 charge. If the developers are unwilling to increase the charge rate, they could consider adjusting the scaling numbers instead.

In terms of damage output, I seldom find myself dealing damage with the Lifeweaver, as I always have something more important to attend to. This differs from my experience as Mercy, where using the pistol for damage wasn’t as valuable as damage boosting a teammate. Therefore, my only issue with the Lifeweaver lies in its heal charge. Perhaps a minor rework to its ultimate ability could allow for repositioning it once, providing more strategic options for its use.

[CheezusCrust-1567]

@Catastrophic-1713

. He is the weakest healer in the game

@Catastrophic-1713

My whole post is about how good LW is lol what are you talking about?

which is it?
good or bad

[Catastrophic-1713]

He can be the weakest healer and still a strong pick lol. It’s called utility. If you didn’t read, don’t comment.

[CheezusCrust-1567]

but he isnt the weakest healer

[Catastrophic-1713]

Again another person who isn’t commenting AT ALL on what the post is about. I never said he was in my post. You people just don’t read.

[GoaThief-1653]

@Catastrophic-1713

I have simply come to the conclusion that LW is just a high skillcap champ.

What rank are you? I only ask because you listed a lot of tips and stuff and have some controversial opinions alongside so it would be hugely strengthening to your argument if you provided the details.

[CheezusCrust-1567]

@Catastrophic-1713

who isn’t commenting AT ALL on what the post is about

@Catastrophic-1713

I never said he was in my post

@Catastrophic-1713

a Max heal of 65 that has to be charged, and slows you if you hold it is not great healing lol. He is the weakest healer in the game, although I often have to top in the game

bro why are you lying so much

[Catastrophic-1713]

“Controversial opinions” States none. Lol.

[Yin-1797]

@Catastrophic-1713

Lucio and brig are both also aoe healers. But we will agree to disagree lol.

All Supports have area effect healing.

In fact, the only Supports that don’t have single-target healing are Lucio and Baptiste.

@AppleCake-11967

Lucio: 52hps

This is false. Lucio’s lines up with Brigitte’s in area effect healing. Only Amp boosts it, and it is the equivalent of Repairpacks on all targets.

@GrumpyKitten-1134553

His one heal is very low that’s the only issue.

It isn’t really.

Whether you charge it to full or tap it, the healing is the same rate, and its higher than Mercy’s primary healing; though it won’t last as long.

[anon81213405]

His healing isn’t low. Every time I have one on my team they have tons of heals. The problem is he doesn’t contribute to damage at all so if your team is lacking in damage output then his healbotting doesn’t really help.

[PostRockOwl-1129]

I just started playing LW today and he’s really fun. Life grip is such a fun ability. Anyone with good game sense will make good use of it and my teams have given me a lot of praise too for my life grips. I think they should change his ult though its boring.

[Artistimo-11549]

@Catastrophic-1713

I have simply come to the conclusion that LW is just a high skillcap champ

That won’t make him fun to play with. I’ve played with masters and gm life weavers. It ain’t a fun experience.

@Catastrophic-1713

I feel his pull is what set people off more than anythig in the game probably. Being a very experienced LW myself, I get irritated when someone pulls me unecessarily, ESPECIALLY when I was about to kill someone and take an objective

Doesn’t have to just be unnecessary. I’d rather them play literally anything else. Then I wouldn’t need my agency destroyed because those chose a failure of a character design who possesses their teammates.

@Catastrophic-1713

I have never once been complained about when I pull people. I have had people initially complain when I picked LW, but I have only ever had people sing praise about how good I was compared to what they had come across before.

Being a good Life Weaver is like being good a gaslighting. It’s impressive the show you put on with it. But that doesn’t make it healthy or fun.

@Catastrophic-1713

-Just because someone is low does not mean they are going to die. They might be about to crush the other team in a combo attack. You need to be aware of what ults your team has, where everyone is, where the other team is, their ults, etc. Pulling your rein out if he is kind of low when he has 3 people with him including the other healer against 1 or 2 people on the other team isn’t really necessary unless it’s a bronze moira whose oblivious to healing and rein has like 10hp lol. Maybe you have a lucio who is 1 second from ulting. You should absolutely always pull someone being charged by enemy Rein Most poeple are not aware that being pulled makes you immune to damage. I have pulled people with full hp right as a junk tire blows up on them to save their life. If someone has 1 hp and are ultd by a dva bomb they won’t die in the middle of a pull. Example

Overall I like the tips that you put here and lower. It’s a good resource. That being said it doesn’t stop the character being terribly unfun to play with, and until they add f to accept I will continue campaigning against this failure of a grip implementation.

@AppleCake-11967

I’m convinced at this point that anyone saying that Weaver’s heal is still low is either dumb or hasn’t played the champ for more than like 10 minutes. Weaver has 99 problems but his healing isn’t one.

They’re probably better at him than you.

@AppleCake-11967

His heal got buffed to 75 in the patch update but even before that, his throughput was statistically still on par with nearly every other healer in the game. The devs literally confirmed this and I have played in hundreds of games at this point where his healing was either on par with or surpassed the other support.

…Which doesn’t equate to impact.

@AppleCake-11967

Its about the numbers. The numbers don’t lie.

But your interpretation does.

Do you think Zen is a main healer? Or do you acknowledge that good trans will buff his numbers?

@AppleCake-11967

If you go on Overbuff right now and look at his average healing numbers you’ll see that they fall in line with just about every other support. Moira & Bap are outliers because of their high aoe heals.

And those numbers are meaningless because they don’t describe impact. They describe an average.

@AppleCake-11967

So yeah, Weaver’s healing isn’t the problem. The problem is that healing doesn’t win games.

The problem is his healing is low impact and his pull is a crap design with no consent clause.

@eXtofer-1350

i easily pulled the biggest numbers on the board tonight with LW.

Which means nothing. Stats aren’t a good measure of impact.

@eXtofer-1350

though i do like that grip heals on contact

I wish it required consent.

@anon81213405

His healing isn’t low. Every time I have one on my team they have tons of heals.

Low impact heling is weak healing.

@PostRockOwl-1129

Life grip is such a fun ability

For the user. It’s terrible for anyone on the receiving end.

@PostRockOwl-1129

I just started playing LW today and he’s really fun.

Not to play with.

@PostRockOwl-1129

my teams have given me a lot of praise too for my life grips.

Hilarious.

[SwankyOrc-2304332]

Funny how some forumers continue to defend he is good when he has terrible metrics and even the best players cannot climb with him

Guess you are just all playing him in a way the best players in the world cant huh

If he was a high skillcap hero the best players would be able to benefit and succeed with him right? But they dont. He is unplayable at high rank’s implying you are totally wrong about the hero

In fact i would argue he actually has a severely low skill cap. There is only so much value you can get from the hero before he cant do anything else, so beyond that point any higher skill player get nothing in return so you may as well swap

If the best players get stuck in plat with him it kind of implies that the max amount of value you can get with him is only enough to get you to around plat rank. He literally doesnt provide a high enough of a skillcap for better players to push the hero any further than that. They get to plat and the hero cannot do anything more to get you higher

He is 100% a low skill floor, low skill ceiling hero. Ie the worst kind of design. Easy to pick up and play because he requires 0 aim, but you only can get so far before his peak potential caps out and you get no more value from him. He is a hero solely viable in low ranks and with his current kit design he will not be playable at high ranks until he gets a complete rework. Worst hero ever added to the game in 7 yrs

[Hanqz-2506]

He does have a high skill cap but that only makes him even more unsatisfying to play. No matter how amazing you are at him, he just gets out performed by every other support and having 1 clutch save every few minutes is not enough.

I have played so well with him in some games, saved my entire team from AoE ults, saved so many people with life grip, out healed every other support, got my fair share of kills and that’s still not enough to win.

[Madz-21204]

I have a friend who plays LifeWeaver only at the moment and even in QP he is pumping out 7k heals or more. In Control Maps, he is pumping out upto 14k. I personally think his heal is fine.

[Artistimo-11549]

Honestly. Good.

As long as he keeps life grip, he should never enter the meta or be good. He ruins agency. Shouldn’t have gotten past the first lookover much less made it into the game this long.

[Catastrophic-1713]

Comparing general paly with the top ranked players is pointless lol. 95% of players arent the best palyers so it doesn’t really matter. If it doesn’t work you swap like with any other champion. Its always situational.

[eXtofer-1350]

responded to you on accident.

[Iamjrjr7-1683]

@Catastrophic-1713

In my experience playing Lifeweaver(100 hours). I have simply come to the conclusion that LW is just a high skillcap champ. You have to know positioning, and champions abilities and cds in order to make the best predictions on when to pull someone.

Refuse to listen because you called him a champion. What is this, LoL?