So tired of lifeweaver thows that pull me as a tank and keep me from doing my job.
get used to it, trollweaver is here to stay, id take OG Brig over that bullsh-t ability anyday.
To be fair, supports are tired to tanks who hard feed and throw fights
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I’m also confused that team mates don’t know how to use a platform. Do players not want high ground?
say you never played in 2018 without telling me you never played in 2018
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His ability is a necessary evil even can be used for trolling which I’ve yet to experience. Tank or a DPS way overextended spamming I Need Healing meanwhile either Support is out of LoS.
Considering many Lifeweavers both simultaneously are new T45 free players, or people who want to play him in ranked for the first time.
As well as Top 500s falling to plats on 3W 6 Loss Plats on lifeweavers despite numerous T500 with every hero series, and near aimbot levels of aim on Top 50 Widows/S76s/McCrees.
It just makes sense that Lifeweaver currently appeals to the people who want to
A: Play him, no matter how good or bad he currently is, (or they are with him)
B: Are likely to be playing for novelty, and not WR, or be playing him until the 40% wr MMR adjusts them to a level that matches their LW play. (Switching to their off mains, will often noticably reverse around a match for any lw mmr balanced weaver. While anyone playing them on their main’s mmr might lose the game)
C: Are either brand new or not playing in coordinated groups with sane people of the same rank that plan to use him. Of the ults that scale well with weaver’s pull (Maybe orisa’s ult, slingshot rein shatters, and maybe high noon). A lot don’t benefit from his non ult healing or keep 50%+ WR.
The buffs help weaver hit equal healing numbers, but a lot of people are pointing out, how even in the games maybe lifeweaver matched 9k healing to Mercy’s 8k healing and 1-3k dmg boost, mercy may have helped a dps pocket get a pick or be more aggressive/gain more tempo and contest more objective time. LW may have pulled a dps/tank off objective and given up tempo even in matches where all stats were equal, but LW’s team were 3 minutes behind on payload objectives, even despite teams where LW’s dps did 1.5x more dmg/elims than enemy, but could contest the cart 30% less due to need to retreat to stay alive with LW’s low combat heals/tempo/1v1.
We’ve already seen how Moira and baptise are already both dps hybrids who can already do high healing numbers, and evade fights on 6s cds or 1s crouch jumps to high ground. Petal is a novelty, but how much use does the top of a mei wall give to pick petal over antinade, sleep dart, 90 hp/s /sniper dps potential.
Most non supports also don’t do much on a petal. Dps can use highground well, but also tend to be cut off from healer attention los. If a s76 starts to get double rein striked and his supports attention is on ground, he might get no heals, and need to run off (where he’ll be alone in a 1v5 and probably die). A tank on petal might not take dmg, but now your meatshield is in the middle of no where and are low range. And if the lifeweaver petals the other support, his own escape route is gone and makes him a easy flank, and if he petals himself… Then you’re paying a massive potential tax just to have a character static in the sky while Mercy can already fly, moira can self peel every 6s and has a 48% gm wr despite winning many 1v1s and good healing/dmg numbers. (Seen as low value)…
And life weaver’s numbers are even arguably lower value. Even people reporting top healing with lw’s 8-11k healing healing, vs Other support’s top 15k-22k, are reporting 30-50% of his healing when he’s matching a mercy’s m1 are coming from his tree.
Not that he could be bad with reworks. But consider this is a technically buffed twice LW., with his current frame perfect 65/1.3s 50 hp/s if frame perfect, 30-40 hp/s if botched.
His beta healing was 20% lower, and many people botched the LW main healing to the point even Brig’s 5s 15 hp/s inspire aura was a better practice range topper than a LW main healing 65 /1.7s and reloading.
We need to face the facts, consistent top 500s are taking LW ONLY to plat, petal isn’t doing anything new that GM or OWL players setting Top 500 Mei wall team jumps/Surprise noons / Sym Dva/Orisa ult teleports haven’t done before. He has better paper numbers now, but he’s still missing solo tempo and often even when matching numbers, struggles to contest or do those numbers safely on objectives, and thus to achieve equal numbers, he often forces his allies out of the fights, sometimes leaving to 3:00 min gaps on competitive objective times even when team fights were equal.
LW teams just can’t contest or capture points as safely as flittering kill evading mercies/1v1ing 6s peel moiras/brigs/anas. He can’t shut down enemy ults like Anti nades or sleep darting high noons/nanovisor/nanoblade/bobs.
His team is often forced out of the fight to wait for his heal speed to catch up, and his doomfist primary tier weapon also means his pockets have 2s wide no heal windows that many 100-150 dps can kill through as well while also forcing LW off the point or onto his platform.
He just lacks a lot of tempos, idk if i’d say he’s a “throw” throw pick… But if you had to pick a 45% wr pre rework “Tombjorn throw pick”, vs 41% wr lifeweaver post rework “Win pick”… Idk… But he’s unironically weaker wr as a serious pick than pre rework throw tombjorn…
(tl;dr of above)
Yeah, i don’t think Lifeweaver is (meant) to be bad… But i think people are still over valuing his petal, even after 2 reworks, consistent top 500s are struggling to go past plat5 with him. (They get 3W/6L)
(Skippable Thoughts:
He does better paper numbers, but a lot of it is still low value, low kill potential, low contest point potential, low team kill potential. Low 5v5 sustain potential.He pulls one person out of a fight every 20s, then the team loses anyways or just dies death by slower attrition.
I wouldn’t call him a intentional throw pick, but a 41% wr is worse than many past 45% (intentional) throw picks… At the same time, since LW tends to lower people’s MMR, they also tend to lower themselves to a MMR where they start to reverse a match if they swap off him. So it’s hard to place him. )
I’m tired of saving tanks, getting the notification saying I saved them and that they would definitely have died and getting yelled at anyway.
I’m sick of being told I did the wrong thing when they had three people drop down behind their 1v1 that they didn’t see and I saved them.
I’m sick of saving ungrateful people who were certainly about to die. I wish the people who would rather die would stay out of comp.
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Without LW in the match, those “making space” tanks or over-eager DPS would’ve been 100% dead.
“wHeRe HeALs!!!”