Let's Revisit the Absurdity of "Hide and Rez"

I’d say there are still certain things like “spawncamping” that are, while perhaps effective, not fair.
I guess it’s matter of morality and how you treat the enemie team.

Factually, healers are in the support role

Factually, all supports (and all tanks, as well) are equipped to do damage, and since this is part of their kit, they are expected (by explicit dev design) to do damage

Factually, doing damage does not mean you are in the DPS role

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As much as it’s not great to be victim of one, games don’t have Geneva convention, that forbids certain forms of winning, or labels something as “forbidden”. As result, players are allowed to achieve victory by any means, that exist in game and can be used without outside intervention(mods, cheats, etc.).

I know, however I’ll still apply my own morals of fairness. ^^
Suppose I am a nice enemy then.

My “moral code”, if it can be called that, includes following roles of heroes. So if I see enemy Mercy, I wouldn’t be firing first shot, and will let our pocket teammates settle their differences by themselves.

Call it being polite, if you want, and recognizing someone doing same thing as myself.

I don’t think anecdotal means what you think it means. Using data from Overbuff is hardly anecdotal.

I swear, the one thing this thread highlights is peoples lack of understanding, and disregard for analytics.

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There’s no way to verify that the data in the old threads are true though.
Even though most of them don’t even mention the source.

He could even edit the numers to make Mercy’s current state look terrible, not saying that happened.

It’s non-verifiable data, it’s just Titanium linking his own threads where he said the numbers were like that == anecdotal

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The old forums are read only. You can also look up current numbers on Overbuff right now.

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Right, except I’m not talking about the “data” they are using, I am talking about the anecdotal evidence littered throughout the essay.

Please.

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Yet AGAIN.
I AM NOT IN FAVOUR OF MASS REZ RETURNING.
I don’t think its the best option for Mercy, nor do I think its a healthy direction for her.
Please actually attempt to see what peoples positions actually are before assuming.
This thread has been terribly enlightening for me in that a very large group of people that want to come here and give Titanium or Aria flak cant even take the time to read or check what peoples positions actually are.
I don’t even agree with either of them on a lot of points either but I wish you guys would put in even an iota of effort to respond to peoples actual positions or ideas.

you can be good at getting rezzes off without waiting for everyone to die.

its not that complex a concept.

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Current numbers don’t verify the numbers that were used for May 2018…

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One could argue that playing video games is more of a waste of time than writing a well thought out essay about something you’re passionate about.

The issue is that there were Mercy’s hiding for longer than necessary. In that time those Mercy’s stop healing.
Mercy’s who only ducked away at the right moment or not at all healed much more.

The Hide and Rez tactic, if so common, should have impacted on the healing numbers and there should have been big differences shown in the rework because there was no hiding and there were chain beams that should have increased healing numbers by a significant amount.

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GM:
From 9.5 K/10minutes to 11.5K/10minutes
From 12.5K/game to 13.5K/game

All:
From 9.5K/10minutes to 10.5K/10minutes
Healing per game stayed around the same.

10%+increases are quite big and that’s ignoring the fact that matches last shorter these days because of multiple changes to gamemodes

Let me tell you how we did it.

  1. Mercy would tell us “I have Rez, die on point”
  2. We’d put up a fight, kill as many enemies as possible, but be reckless with it. Fights wouldn’t last too long as there was a wall of damage, if it did last longer it wouldn’t drag on.
  3. Mercy would hide for the duration of the fight, again most of the time relatively short at Plat rank, and would pop out once 3-4-5 players had expired and Rez.

Again, this was a long time ago, but I can’t remenber fights lasting much longer than 25-35 seconds tops in these scenarios, how much healing does that account for? And that being said, what about damage boost?

Hide and Rez was overused, my team would repeatedly use it a solid majority of our games (maybe 80%), and have it used against us probably 4 out of 5 games.

I’m not trying to be a problem here (for lack of the ability to use other language) but based on my personal experience and use of this strategy, trying to tell me otherwise is a waste of time.

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Alright, well from my personal experience then, I didn’t go hide. I ducked into cover at the last moment or not at all.
I consistently healed 18-22K damage on games that went for a good amount of time and felt like they were evenly skilled matches.
Tempo’d and Mass Rezzed.
Had hardly any deaths, my average deaths were probably about 2-3.
And won more games against people who used the hide and rez tactic.
Teams that waited for the hide and rez against a team that didn’t often got wiped all over again without the use of any ults because I told my team which targets to gang up on as they were respawning so we could get the numbers advantage immediately.

So, from my perspective, hide and rez was a bad strategy that would have died out if not for the SR exploit and it lowered possible healing.

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Just some personal advice to you, OP:
Be more concise in your “essay.”
Most people playing this game don’t want to feel like they’re reading a school text book. Use more simple and common vernacular. Stop abusing the word “hypothesis” and get a thesaurus. And don’t keep dressing up your paragraphs with “I’m going to explain this in the next paragraph.” Just get to the point.

You seem like you really really care about this game, so if you want to be more persuasive, then do us a favor and actually make your posts more approachable.

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It doesn’t matter how it is worded when the people who are anti-mercy just come in and say that Mercy is fine and that we deserve what we get.

At least when there is a ton of information there to process, you can at least hold a conversation with people who will actually care.

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Pretty sure the way these threads go by now

Everyone has already made up their mind on Mercy

If they don’t feel she needs any changes they aren’t going to read Another essay why she does

and if they do feel she needs a change, they don’t need to read it or if they do read it all they’re going to do is simply go ‘‘I agree’’

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