they didnt nerf brig bcz we begged for 9 months (just check my post history).
Seagull convinced them that counter meta is garbage, and a few other pros talked about dva.
just like jeff said in a post here “the game is more balanced then these forums will let you think”
our feedback here is meaningless, they balance according to their own ideas of game design (50% lifesteal) and their own pace.
blaming the deletebrig mouvement, they (we) had no impact whatsoever, we just ranted on the game becoming garbage bcz of one op hero (forums brigitte) and now that hero got nerfed. But the game changed alot around her, armor interactions was the latest, all because the devs believe that Brigitte has a place in this game when so many people want her rewroked/deleted.
So no,the community isnt to blame, we have no weight whatsoever in balance.
That’s what we call a “wrong”.
It often feels this way, and if they’re basing balance on Pro input then… that gets a 
from me
I agree but for different reasons. Community feedback is never to blame. Community overall is too stupid. Pick the average person, that’s very dumb, now imagine half of players are even dumber than that, so community driven-anything only creates dumb down garbage.
The fault comes to Blizzard. It’s their job to know better. They’re supposed to separate the dumb ones from the actual useful ones, which is why they focus on the pro feedback, which is logical, who knows more about the game than the pros? However, they also play a different game, and are literally payed to do so. So Blizz should also take care with their feedback, for it’s skewed as well.
I do think they pay attention, maybe not through the forum, but they’re there.
Community is also very vocal when giving feedback, but very piss poor at suggesting solutions.
Thats one of the worst thing a game company could do. Balance according to some absolute minority. In a game you always have to take into account the whole playerbase, you cant just go and ignore them all or you end up like Firefall and you also cannot just go and take a selective minority to base your ideas on because that leads to balance problems and poor ideas like Warframe has.
You always have to look at the whole and change according to that. No hero should be a niche or straight up throw pick.
Making a movement to remove a character from the game by also ecouraging huge toxicity and rage instead of giving actual rework feedback was still an extremely poor way for the community to show their dissapointment.
That is also a fair point.
the minority knows better about balance, balancing to themvwill make the game more balanced and fun for the high %% even if that means hurting the mercy/brig mains feels
we gave feedback, the community mocked us, the drvs jokes about us, at some point its normal to get toxic when the game you love is becoming garbage and youre being mocked for pointing it out, or just straight up having a garbage experience WITHIN THE GAME
And your excuse for a damn movement that has a goal to outright delete a character is “we got frustrated”? Really now? The movement was just extremely uneeded and toxic. You gotta admit it. There arent any good excuses I saw supporting it anyway.
But then you’re balancing based on people who don’t understand the game.
If someone is struggling to beat Bastion, the solution is not to bully Blizz into nerfing Bastion, it’s to get good.
Low tier players should not have the power to make the game worse for others because they are not able to improve.
Mercy, Brig, Sym, Doom, Armored tanks and soo on…
No it wont make the game more balanced, thats like saying that because we have guys in the top 1% who are able to reach 100% headshot accuracy with hanzo we need to add a randomised accuracy stat to his arrows.
We need to take into account the whole playerbase when making balance choices, you cant just go and only take into account the absolute pros who can make any “garbage” work.
They balance only around the pro scene. There is no other reason for why d.va got nerfed when no one really asked for a nerf and she wasn’t even a must pick either outside of OWWC.
But high tier people have the right to make the game worse for others because they are not able to improve?
Just because someone is sitting at a low tier that does not mean they have absolutely no idea on the game. Look at reaper, pretty much everybody from bronze to top500 that shadowstep with wraith form is bad for a hero who needs to get close.
Almost anybody with a half brain can explain what skill are in need of changes but they are all ignored because we have a group of payed players who have “important views” on the game.
Its also worth noting that the game will simply die without the largest playerbase what is somewhere around gold, so ignoring them and making changes what only makes the game worse for them can effectively kill OW.
If they balanced only around the pros…
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Tracer would have received an actual nerf
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Brigitte would not exist
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Doomfist would not have been nerfed
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Mercy would not have been a must pick for months on end
And so on. They consider more than the pro scene.
She got one in the form of brigitte
The only reason she even exists was to counter dive.
He had high pickrates all across the boards.
They are very slow when comes down to changing anything.
If you’re not able to improve then you shouldn’t be spoon fed. High tier players improve the game by offer a more objective insight into how the game could be balanced.
If you are less capable you should not have the playing field manipulated for you so you can climb.
It’s not self important. They are objectively better and they know more than everyone else.
If you can’t improve, you shouldn’t be trying to have the game balanced around you.
This is because of self important views. Lower tier players have somehow convinced them that if they don’t need to be better, they can just have things made easier.
we got frustrated out of the game’s state and our feedback being mocked by devs who ended up nerfing her after seagull said “actually ye brig needs changes”
mercy brig symm and doom needed changes
now blame the execution not the idea
too many people on ladder dont want to learn the game, just hop on a hero and have fun, and fun means not dying and giving value, most people on ladder (myself included) lack the knowledge to actually prpose changes, the pros dont, they know better then us, if we ask for bastion nerfs because we cant handle him, he wont receive any changes simply bcz the pros see him as useless, ofcourse they could change him to be not as frustrating as he is, but it would be wasted ressource to them, since he wont be seen in owl and proplay, thaat’s why nor symm2.0 torb bastion moira havent been nerfed, but for the two underpowered they just got reworked.
they dont
they play the op heros
thats why dva got nerfed
the devs balance around proplay, not pro feedback, they believe they know better.
thanks you actually made an excellent point, but if a moderator sees your name…
and that’s why he proceeded to (like u say it) gut brigitte
i will now proceed to ignore you
Couldn’t say it better.
Why do you think Jeff mocked Forums Brigitte? Because it was stupid!
Instead of actual feedback people kept spouting nonsense about Brigitte solo holding a point against the enemy team and completely destroying enemy pushes by herself when we all know that wasn’t the case. And even then they used it as fuel for a toxicity movement to outright remove a character instead of even semi-sensically asking for ability tweaks. It was all foolishness.
It wasn’t about the pros either.
In case you haven’t noticed, which you should, Both the addition of brigitte, and every decision that led to this current point in time, was to forcefully change meta for OWL.
Not only our suggestions are irrelevant, So is the suggestion of pros. In the end, It’s all about how we could create variety for OWL. No one wants to see goats all the time. No one wanted to see dive all the time.
Otherwise you think even creating the abomination was a necessity in the first place? Gm’s were mostly fine with tracer. they didn’t mind dive that much, specially since it no longer was like season 4 with 6 obvious picks every game. Dive was evolving into different strats with widows, and even junkrats. And lower ranks didn’t even experience real dive.
All these changes over the past year has been for the main purpose of OWL. And it will continue to be like that.
That approach might work for other games that have a relatively close connection between how the game is played for pros and normal players, But in overwatch, where there’s a world of difference between the highest rated players (Top 500) and OWL, It creates more and more and more problems.
i have, they know goats is boring to watch and want owl to be $$$$
yet they couldnt put a patch mid season, and kept mercy broken
just bcz they didnt want to make owl s1 a mess
To be honest, at this point I’d welcome a free name change. I’ve had my fun with this one lol