yeah guys mei was trash before now if she’s reverted she’ll be bad >:(
1st example is from the time of Orisa/Hog that I mentioned (Orisa/D.va was also common but usually was really map dependent and still looked down upon) and the 2nd example is from the time when her ultimate charged oppressive fast that I also mentioned
Thanks for backing me up though 
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I don’t think Mei is good because of meta. Mei has been a strong pick since the start of 2/2/2 because she is a very resilient hero that brings lots of cc and can control space in a fight.
Oh wait, isn’t that the definition of a tank ?
Exactly, Mei is just the third tank of 2/2/2. And that’s exactly why she’s so strong.
Imo she should just be moved to the tanks roster (with a few tweaks).
yeah dude mei just had 0 chance of viability before 222 bro honestly
However
I do like this idea! Ice Wall is something I’ve always wanted on an off-tank 
Exaggerating scenarios sounds a lot like what people are doing to hanzo don’t you think? Yes it’s unrealistic to say she can freeze 6 people, it happens commonly in grav but outside of that it’s extremely rare and I don’t like nerfing heroes off of potential, but there’s no way you can deny that she’s brokenF and it’s not just because of the meta it’s because of 222. 222 isn’t going away so mei NEEDS to get nerfed
Statistically i’d sure not call her wrong.
But I wouldn’t say she’s your average hero either, she’s the 6th most picked dps and 3rd in terms of winrate.
And it’s important to note that the 2 dps heroes with the best winrate are way below her in terms of pickrate (sym and torb).
This isn’t even a new fact. For the past 6th months her worse pickrate was 9th dps hero (out of 16), while her winrate stayed the 3rd for the whole time.
Limit it to GM and this week or this month and you have your high tier results. Others aren’t meta dependent and winrates overall on Overbuff are highly inaccurate
The only thing going for her is her pickrate which is now being boosted by the current meta and it’s barely 1% over DF, McCree and Widowmaker which isn’t a considerable difference
Works for every hero. Just today I’ve seen players complain how Bastion and Junkrat are OP making these similar exaggerations. Yours fall under the same category and there’s still nothing broken about the hero. Players are just malding because she’s actually viable right now and something they get asked to switch into when the opponents have a good Ball player or their mains are useless because they’re being blucked by double barriers
Oh and I play tanks so she’s the biggest counter to me out there so her getting nerfed would only benefit me personally. There’s just nothing overpowered about her
She has literally never not been viable except MAYBE during dive, she was never the strongest hero in a meta but now she finally is. After years of her being a quietly strong hero, she kept getting buffed and kept on and kept on to the point where she actually is broken. And I think that after double shield is gone, she’ll still be meta because she’s just that strong right now, she’s close range dominant in almost any situation, but also has the potential to land 150 damage across the map (the .4 delay doesn’t make it harder to land shots)
She’s too dangerous to leave alive during midfight, so you have to organize your team to focus her down. Assuming you aren’t in a scrim, that’s difficult to do by itself right? So let’s say that you and the 3 other people who are actually in voice channel actually help to focus her down. She’s half hp, uses cryo. You can’t afford to sit and wait 4 seconds to kill one person, so your team turns and starts shooting the other 5 members of their team, she uncryos and freeze headshots any 2 of your teammates before you can focus her down again.
That’s a fully realistic scenario
unnecessary if you do all others
In other words send her back to F tier.
This forum won’t be happy till she is trash.
She probably needs nerfed somewhat but not massively (or reworked to offtank)
she was never F tier, so she wont be “sent back to F tier” but oppressive heroes should NEVER be S tier in the first place, she was fine in C tier
Well in the current meta Sigma rock kills her and succ eats ults sometimes, Orisa pull forces her out of position or to use IB, Hanzo one-shots her, McCree stun or headshot is good enough, DF punch can one-shot or dislocate her or force IB, Zenyatta discord takes away 25% of her health, Firestrike+melee is plenty of damage, Widow one-shots her, Ana can sleep or antinade her and that’s like from top to bottom not including those heroes you probably just won’t be playing against in high tier. There’s like Bap, Ball, Lucio, Mercy who don’t have something that is considerably good against her being played atm but otherwise she has plenty of counterplay
Why she’s being played in the current meta is because Orisa/Sigma is being played and she synergizes with them by denying space the space right behind their barriers so they don’t get hugged to death which is what usually happens to Sigmas because he has no mobility, 400hp, takes damage from his own explosions and doesn’t deal extra damage from close up and Orisa’s weakness has always kind of been teams who just walk past her barrier as she can’t pull it back. Which is kind of what happens with Sigma too. The other tanks don’t really have this issue so she has less synergy when they’re meta, but at the moment heroes like D.va just aren’t otherwise really viable probably because the changes to the game before all this made them that much more weaker in 2-2-2 format because earlier they considered GOATS and stuff. They even went back on armor changes which addressed that
And she isn’t even that popular with a little under 5% pickrate when Bap has over 15%, Orisa and Sigma a bit over 12% and Hanzo at under 10%. It still means that there’s most variance in DPS (Hanzo aside because I mean the whole last patch was a huge buff to him which makes him better than Sym and DF against double barriers and Mei’s)
She’s just not in the nerf range. Hanzo could possibly be, but they should just tweak the sustain side more from the aftermath of GOATS and doublebarriers. Like for example nerf Fortify and add a bit more barrier to Orisa so she’s weaker herself, but can create enough space for an off-tank to fill in and make Hanzo and DF a bit weaker or something. Maybe make D.va viable which would also make Hanzo more irrelevant. Maybe buff Pharah just a bit into viability so she has a better chance at countering Mei
There’s a lot they can do and outright nerfing Mei isn’t a good idea because she might hit F-tier because of that if they also shift the meta
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- Mei was F-tier, whether agree or not. This was especially the case during dive, but I do think that Mei mostly was D-tier in Overwatch’s history.
- You’re walking on a dangerous slope by forcing “oppressive” heroes to be less viable.
Who decides who is oppressive and who not? What if I say I find Genji, Tracer, Reinhardt, Widowmaker and Hanzo oppressive? Should they be forced to be less viable as well?
I get where you’re getting from, and I do somewhat agree with you, but I just think it will be incredibly hard to determine who should he labeled as oppressive. - Those nerfs/reverts are just too much dude. That’s far beyond overkill, and I seriously doubt it was done with the purpose of toning Mei down and more about removing ‘unfun’ heroes.
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this game needs a mass nerf… especially on heros like reaper, hanzo, doomfist, widow, mcree , mei , sigma , orisa.
Honestly, that’s dumb. Making the heroes she’s supposed to counter stronger against her?
She should be weaker against those who she’s supposed to be countered by, that means dialling back her RMB and self heal so we can actually deal with her from range as intended.
Who do you she is supposed to be weak against.
I think it’s snipers and very mobile heroes, but I don’t see how touching her RMB and self healing would benefit these heroes.
sigma only needs a damage reduction
reaper only needs goats buffs reverted
doomfist is fine where he is, he’s just B tier maybe A in the right hands
hanzo only needs 1 storm arrow taken away or have the damage of all 5 reduced to 55, not all of the excessive talk like “3 arrows and no headshot” or, “no lunge, no storm arrow, just his primary and sonic”
widow is fine, she’s the same as she was in launch and isn’t OP
Mccree needs his firerate reverted like i said
Mei needs her buffs reverted, not all of them though
orisa needs her power redistributed, shield back to 900, fortify down to 30% and halt down to 6m
also i dont even know how to nerf baptiste, he’s just a super strong jack of all trades right now
No, making the heroes Mei is supposed to be countered by a little stronger (but not too much). Like I think Pharah should have a distinct advantage over Mei, but the splash damage hits are not often enough to finish off a Mei quickly so she has to really hone the direct hits. Maybe a slight splash damage buff to Pharah is one option.