I play alot of Baptiste and he deserves every nerf he got, I was constantly getting games with gold damage gold heals without much effort
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I feel bad for Orisa in this patch
I thought theyād buff the other tanks to make them beefy like she is
But instead they trashed her
not gonna pretend to be upset about it though 
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Because the supports also have to compete with the increase in damage done through new tanks/ dps and the buffs that DPS got
The fact that they have had to buff both Zen and Lucioās ult to even compete against all the kill pressure in this game is proof enough that supports do need to be strong
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Only because GOATs was insanely broken due to synergy thoughā¦
On their own, tanks were miserable to play. Why do you think Orisa/Hog became meta after 2/2/2 was shoved in? 3 tanks couldnāt be abused anymore, and Orisa/Hog were the only tanks at the time that hadnāt been gutted/weak to Hanzo/Widow.
Obviously this changed overtime with Sigma and the recent patch notes that came out todayā¦
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*Irrelevant in OWL, except when teams ran Quad DPS to beat goats like the Chinese teams did, and were picking up steam before the forced 2-2-2 change hit as more teams were moving over to Quad DPS team comps. On Ladder DPS were still used more often than even the most used OWL hero (D.va)
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Letās not forget that most Mercy mains didnāt ask for mercy to be OP. The OP rework was no players fault. Even when Mercy was knocked back down to being balanced, they still nerfed her healing to 50
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your focus is completely misguided, every single healer has ALWAYS been viable, the problem has always been that ONE of them is always more OP than the other preventing the rest from being picked, hence why the nerfs, what you are proposing is for supports to remain OP and to powercreep the heck out of them
Ana wonāt go anywhere since Moira is still broken as all hell
and yes, there were 11 nerfs (no clue why youāre so fixated with counting them, if we started counting the amount of nerfs other heroes get pffā¦) because of how powerful she became, stop being this blind man
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Uwot
Ana is a shell of her former self. I even listed the compensation she got, which was just healing on her ultimate after the SLEDGEHAMMER of nerfs she got.
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Yeah, but Iām kind of getting irritated with this āfeast or famineā type of balancing.
Itās like:
They changee the game in some way, so only a handful of heroes are viable. Then, it takes them months and a bunch of sledgehammer nerfs to make those Heroes not viable (and near unplayable). And then, in the process of all this, they buff a bunch of other stuff and then that becomes the new meta. And then the cycle just repeats itself.
thereās no such thing as middle ground, in this game. Somethingās either overpowered and a must pick or underpowered and a throw pick.
Ugh.
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Earthshatter is the most frustrating ult just due to its unpredictability. Iāve seen characters jump and it doesnāt affect them, meanwhile I jump and still get slammed.
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These supports needed the changes.
I main support and can agree these nerfs were needed. The armor change for Brigitte was needed, because Zarya could hold so much HP back when shields were in HP list first.
Seriously, I would wait for any later changes and just expect some changes soon for support. Whether buff, nerf, or an adjust. Maybe even a bug fix for some like Brigitteās shield animation when deploying shield.
Iām not saying I disagree with you. Iād just like to know your reasoning so I can understand it.
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Stop giving people thread ideas >_>
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she still has the most AoE healing and zero aim requirement, her ult still charges super fast and sheās better at not getting hit than pretty much anyone else, when it comes to Moira her only downside is having no utility, which is offset by her crazy amounts of healing
When it comes to being the most useful support, youāll always measure value based on healing output and utility, however people are awful at measuring utility impact, hence why people still complain about brig being nerfed and Mercy having rez as a single target skill
Moira will take the spot as the go to healer in several maps, more than Ana will
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I literally couldnāt agree more, the fact that this patch they only nerfed two DPS slightly and then absolutely destroyed Bap, Orisa, and sigma says it all. Mei and doomfist are still crazy OP and you donāt see them getting nerfs that destroy every aspect of their kit, but of course the tanks and healers get gutted. Bap, sigma and Orisa were 100% fine as they were, Iād argue Bap needed buffs to his ult charge and sigma needed a tiny buff for his hyperspeheres to no longer to self damage to offset the crazy nerfs he got before. This is just a joke, worst patch I think theyāve ever rolled out
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Used to*
Not to be rude, but did you read the thread? Its a cycle - every healer gets a chance in the spotlight, and they get abruptly nerfed simply because theyāre the only viable option.
Moira has been nerfed overall. Maybe her alongside Ana might be the new meta - I have no clue. But I can see psuedo deathball being a thing again with Ana.
Regardless of the amount, 11 is a LOT of nerfs for a hero, especially when it all happened consecutively. It also depends on the type of nerf (It can either be a light tap, or a straight up nuke. In Mercys case, it was most definitely a nuke) .
And yes, Moth Mercy was broken out of the gate, but she got smacked down hard. It would have been much easier to fix mass rez rather than the rework she got.
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Not to be dismissive, but someone has to do the most healing.
And she requires low aim intensity but that also doesnt make her OP.
Her downside of having no utility is kind of a big deal. Youd need a really good reason to run a hero like that in a position of only 2 slots. As it turns out, having that extra healing is why.
I dont see Moira bouncing back honestly. Not unless people straight up refuse to use Ana correctly.
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Thats because Reins ult hits jumps. Unless youāre on a elevated plane above 2m (I thinkā¦), the stun will hit ya
Iām OK with nerfs to AoE healing as long as utility remains strong. Generally single target healing should be stronger because itāsā¦ well, a single target.
Generally thatās what has been upsetting people is AoE healing (not like characters canāt AoE damage but whatever).
I agree statistically it will happen, however for it to be the one with the least aim requirement is, for a lack of better word, unfair
what makes her op is all of those things together, and orb
thereās no utility that can rival her healing though, say for example baptisteās field, itās perfectly counterable, just destroy the thing and people isnāt inmortal anymore, but Moira? orb +ult is 120 hps, good luck killing any tank through that and those 2 can be used in conjunction far more often and longer than bapās inmortality field too