Is anyone on the dev team actually a Sym main? (PLS READ FIRST POST)

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Perhaps English is not your first language, but the typical path goes like this.

  1. “I dont like this persons arguement.”
  2. “I dont like this persons icon.”
  3. “I dont like this persons profile.”

It was an INVITATION to you, because you clearly thought I am an Hanzo Main/One Trick, to look at my profile because I am not a coward, and do not hide it.

I did not call YOU a coward, because I did not even know, or care to look to see that your profile is hidden.

You however internalized my invitation to you, to look at my profile, as if I was calling you a coward, because you are clearly sensitive to the point that you have hidden your profile.

A comical turn of events, for all the thread to enjoy.

In short, I did not call you a coward, and it was you who resorted to the personal attacks because you do not like to be questioned about the position of Sym, poor as it has been throughout the history of this game.

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They didn’t mention hours on other heroes. Because then it would not have served as proof that the person was a main.

Im glad you’re catching on, slowly …

They specifically excluded it because they were confirming there was a main by listing their bonafides.

Or they excluded it because they’re not actually a Sym main, and it makes it look like they are by only listing their Sym hours. Unless you’re clairvoyant, you cant confirm either way. Only the devs can, hence why I’m asking this question.

It’s a confirmation by listing the most relevanf information in defense.

No, it’s an implication. And implication is not a confirmation.

If they really do have someone who considers themself to be a Symmetra main on the dev team, it shouldnt be so hard to give a simple yes or no answer.

@idSurge:

Actually you queestion Sym’s design, not her position. Also if you’re going to accuse me of attacking you, please outline exactly where I did that.

Also, I didnt think you were a main or a one trick necessarily, I thought you might be, and either way it was ironic that someone who seems to like Hanzo would criticise a different hero for being poorly designed when Hanzo is so poorly designed himself.

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Using indirect language is NOT the same thing as not confirming. Context is everything when interpreting speech. And assuming dishonesty does NOT change how the statement is meant to be read.

There is ZERO in that statement to show that the person referenced isn’t a Symm main. And everything to show they are.

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And everything to show they are.

Except for the fact that they might just be a paid playtester who, in all honesty, would rather not play Sym, and/or might have many more hours on other heroes.

Like, if that same person in their own time actually has 1000s of Zenyatta hours and no Sym, do you really expect us to call them a Sym main?

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That’s a random assumption you pulled out of your behind. It has nothing to do with how the statement is meant to be interpreted.

Regardless if they are being dishonest and only want us to think someone is a Symmetra main but isn’t, or truthful but passive in their speech, the intended takeaway from that exchange for the reader is the same.

The reader is supposed to take away that the stated person mains Symmetra. Your suspicions of dishonesty or ulterior motives for making us think that does nothing to change that.

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I highly doubt anyone there is a symmetra main.

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So you just take everything you read and hear at face value?

One moment, I think I might have some magic beans that would interest you …

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No. I am saying the motives behind what was stated doesn’t change what was stated. In fact we have a word for when you say one thing but the truth is the opposite. Lying.

If you look really bad in your dress and I say “You look pretty,” even though I think you look terrible; I did not state “You look ugly” I said “You look pretty,” instead. I lied.

If you don’t believe the offical answer, that’s fine. That’s on you. You might even be right, though I very much doubt that. Regardless, it wouldn’t be the first time a company’s offical answer was a lie. It doesn’t change an official statement was made.

They HAVE answered this question. And the answer is yes. If you believe it or not is up to you.

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I’m not accusing Jeff of lying; maybe he just wasn’t sure what the term main means, or has a different idea of it. As such I put a clear explanation of what I, as well as many others in the Sym community, mean when we say “main” and would therefore like to know if Jeff’s (or another dev’s) answer remains the same in that context.

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Nobody’s idea of main would mean ordered to play it by their boss. And it’s pretty insulting to think that’s what he meant when the language he used doesn’t imply that at all. He’s even used the term in the past the same way the community did.

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Nobody’s idea of main would mean ordered to play it by their boss

Exatctly, which is why I’m concerned that he seemed to be holding up what seemed to be a paid playtester as an example of a main.

And it’s pretty insulting to think that’s what he meant when the language he used doesn’t imply that at all.

See above.

He’s even used the term in the past the same way the community did.

See above.

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Which would be an ulterior motive not a different definition getting used. He knows what main means to the community. If he meant something else he just lied. And there is zero evidence to suggest he did nor any real reason to do so.

It sounds to me like you’re just paranoid over the Symmetra main’s job title and letting it cloud your judgement of what he said.

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He knows what main means to the community.

Everyone can make a mistake. Besides, whilst I have seen Jeff say he is a tank main, I havent seen anything to suggest that his definition of main is the same as what I outlined in the first post.

If he meant something else he just lied. And there is zero evidence to suggest he did nor any real reason to do so.

That’s debatable. Again, I’m not accusing Jeff of lying, but there’s quite a lot of reason to do so if it gets fans to be silent.

It sounds to me like you’re just paranoid over the Symmetra main’s job title and letting it cloud your judgement of what he said.

It sounds like you don’t want to admit the truth: Jeff did not confirm that there is a Sym main on the dev team. He simply referred to the question, then threw out what is essentially random trivia and left it up to us to make up our minds.

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That isn’t the truth. The truth is confirmed there was one using indirect voice. The only way your idea works is if he has an ulterior motive and uses a definition of main that he has not only never used, but is paid to know better to use, but also isn’t what any reasonable person would use.

Your paranoia about the job title has you in denial about his statement. Simple as that. That’s why your the only one interpreting it that way

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Rofl VenusArmani…what are you even DOING here.

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The only way your idea works is if he has an ulterior motive and uses a definition of main that he has not only never used,

… or if he made a mistake, which he could easily, being a human being and being prone to human error.

but is paid to know better to use,

I highly doubt knowing what a main is is in his contract, particularly since its not exactly a standardised term. And either way, he is still vulnerable to human error as Jeff is, once again, a human being (see above). There is no amount of money you can pay someone to not ever make a mistake.

Your paranoia about the job title has you in denial about his statement. Simple as that. That’s why your the only one interpreting it that way

Everyone knows Symmetra is a highly unpopular character, and there’s no reason that shouldnt extend to the dev team too, and that only a minority would actually like her enough to consider themselves Sym mains. The dev team is also rather small compared to the size of the player base, so it’s quite possible not even a single person on it likes her enough to consider themself a main. This is why the question was asked in the first place. So if you want to call me paranoid, you’re also tarring those same Sym players that asked the question wit the same brush.

Jeff could have dispelled this by replying to that question with a simple yes.

But he didn’t. He instead gave a vague answer that merely implies the potential existence of a Sym main on the dev team, which is why I am asking for him to directly say yes or no after having read the definition of a main I gave in the first post, because as we can both agree a paid playtester (which is the only example he can seem to think of) does not a main make.

Again, if I truly am wrong, then someone from the dev team (such as the person who is allegedly a Sym main) should have no problem ending this right here and now.

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The person was not stated to play Symmetra. A live ops producer isn’t even necessarily a play tester.

He used evidence of the community definition in his response. You’re literally the ONLY person interpreting that way because your so hung up on a job title that you can’t even view the person in question as a person with their own tastes.

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I don’t even know at this point. I probably should have exited this thread a long time ago.

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its what i did. your mental state would be better off

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The person was not stated to play Symmetra. A live ops producer isn’t even necessarily a play tester.

But it is quite possible that is the case, which I find likely since Jeff didn’t answer with a simple “yes”.

He used evidence of the community definition in his response

Where? I don’t see it.

. You’re literally the ONLY person interpreting that way because your so hung up on a job title that you can’t even view the person in question as a person with their own tastes.

Other people have also commented that they agree with me hat there probably isn’t a Sym main on the dev team, so it’s clearly not just me.

I don’t even know at this point. I probably should have exited this thread a long time ago.

K, bye. I’m not forcing you to reply.