In what way were the Tanks "super buffed"?

[BxChaos-1966]

My dude, you’re setting and changing the conditions of this vacuum scenario to hold-up your argument. Nobody ever said only individual heroe’s damage would kill, simply that it can melt you if you don’t take action.

In the case of fire strike specifically, I guess we needed to spell-out for you the idea that a single dps isn’t the issue. It’s the fact that, in that 2.12 seconds or even 1.12 seconds, Rein (or any tank in that time frame) can be instantly deleted from the match. It happens. Sometimes, it happens through your barrier (ie barrier and hp gone in less than 5s). It happens.

@Yin-1797

If its the enemy team; that’s a completely different story and different strategy is required, but that’s not what’s being implied here.

I’d argue nobody in their right mind was ever saying a single DPS can kill you that fast. That’s not how I read any of the arguments.

My point about the soldier is that he can kill you without ever shooting your barrier if he’s uncontested or you don’t react appropriately. If you didn’t isolate the quote the way you did, the preceding sentence references the fire strike animation and the phrase “beyond that” exits us from that context. Here’s the entire quote:

@BxChaos-1966

e’re talking about during the animation where the barrier isn’t up. Beyond that, a decent soldier (or any other poke DPS) is going to be holding an angle you can’t block without exposing yourself or your team to the rest of the enemy team.

You want to do the math on the scenario then start factoring in Orissa + Sig spam (since that tank pair is popular, maybe use hog instead of Sig), pick a second DPS, and throw-in Bap spam or Zen discord + volley. The damage is there. It’s never a fun feeling to catch it all at once either lol.

With that said, I’d like to go back to what I said at the end of that other post:

@BxChaos-1966

There’s talk about a healing debuff while in combat/shortly after taking damage. That, that is hugely terrifying

This has the potential to be a real problem across the board. Not a situational occurrence like the spam damage deleting tanks.

Even with one less tank doing damage, there’s no way tanks are sustainable with a 25% healing debuff during a team fight. What this is could potentially do (at lower ranks at least) is push both supports into feeling like they must dump all their resources into only their tank, trying to compensate for that debuff. The right answer is going to be to put utility/resource into securing faster kills. Again, especially at lower ranks, that faster kill is going to be the biggest, closest thing to the team which is going to be the tank (more often than not). If this is how things play out, tanks are going to be on respawn simulator almost constantly.

Let’s hope this holds true:

@AndyB-11735

I’ve been following this thread since it popped up last night. I sat down with the hero design and balance team this morning to talk about why we’re testing this change:

Josh Noh: this goes back to what we discussed previously: with a change to 5v5, heals were just too effective in combat due to the fact that Tanks in general provide more damage than what they mitigate.

Another possible approach would be individually nerfing each support Hero’s healing output, which could result in out of combat healing taking significantly longer. Because we’re still in internal testing, we could take this more broad sweeping approach, which helps us more quickly establish new baselines for individual support Heroes.

I do want to caveat: this is only a test change, and per Lead Hero Designer, Geoff Goodman it’s “unlikely to make it through to the live game, as it is now”.