If someone leaves I should lose no SR

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This used to be done in season 1. See my posts above.

This does not solve the problem of abusing strangers into leaving.

This would lead to inflated skill rating at the higher ranks making the matches more inconsistent across the ladder.

In my personal opinion, the reporting system is good to isolate and remove toxic behaviors. However, that is a reactive measure and not so much a preventive one.

I see the leaver system including how it affects leavers, technical issues, and the players leavers affect as the “best possible solution”. Now as a personal opinion, I wish Competitive overall would encourage grouping up more. Realistically you minimize your odds of having a leaver when you group up with reliable friends and players. However, the problem is that its more inconvenient to group up and the games are harder to play.

I have said it many times and even have a topic written a long time ago about it, but I feel many toxic and uncontrollable factors would be easily resolved if they make the change to matchmaking to stop grouping groups of equal size together.

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**I thank you for for the reply, Much respects.

Yeah I know it is VERy difficult for it. I dont know what the backbone is to a Blizzard systems are, other than they are an “HP shop” aka Hewlett Packard buyer from what I have been told.

But I do believe that since Blizzard is VERY driven towards this company model of E-sports, they are going to have to hire on some additional coding staff which uses a new model to solve this.

Yes, Excluding players FROM a match for certain reasons isn’t always fun.

Jeff mentions about Que times as a priority, probably because, since 20 minute que times from WoW PVP-BG was a turn-off to many players, and quite frankly it boils down to some harsh facts that some may not agree with.

Priority 1 is, 10 placement matches is NOT enough to determine where someone will play.

Priority 2, a Rank reset does actually need to happen. There is the honest player out there that wants to keep a Main account, and BUY or loot every SKIn there is, with LARGE stats on their accounts. They had a bad previous season, but learned some NEW ways to play the game better, so lets give them a chance!

Priority 3 is Player behavior in Competitive will be much more different than player behavior on Quick play and/or arcades and events. So lets not build a system around factors OUTSIDE of the competitive system for MMR.

Priority 4. D/C leavers will happen. I even got DDOS’d on my network one day during a competitive match, wasn’t intentional either, but it happens from time to time. So Bans may not be a positive answer, and yes people DID want others to leave to TERMINATE the matches, in the past so they would NOT lose a score. I have only left Comp because of that one reason, other than years ago, when I didn’t know “THE RULES”. :slight_smile:

With that said, how about we STILL work with an over-all rating of the player regardless of the match outcome, so those whom WORKED hard, can continue to be encouraged to do so, and those whom just out-right want to be disruptive to the the competitive game and ruin the integrity of the match, can be moved slightly lower until they can improve their play. Yes, W/L can still be there and should be, otherwise there is NO point to winning. But some adjustments still need to be here.

Sadly the Last priority, is the hard one, nobody wants to talk about, and that is the Duration of the account. I can say that everyone wants to be a true sport and should be allowed to play against others with that same skill level. BUT if a GM player buys a new account, they shouldn’t be placed against Bronze either, so the fix is this…

if a player isn’t applying themselves to that game, than a hidden INTEGER-figure should UN-penalize the hidden numbers, to the rest of the team mates, we dont see, to the rest of the team, so they do NOT get bumped hard for a thrower or leaver.

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I just feel having it similar to how it was before would in fact be better. The problems would exist, but these problems already exist to an extent and some of them just effect less people. You are worried about inflating SR by one match because someone left, but want groups to not be paired with groups of equal sizes. The inflation that would cause is FAR more substantial in my opinion and a common argument against leavers is that you have an equal chance of being benefited by them. That is false; however, the general idea is accurate and to that end, while you might be inflated temporarily, a leaver will ruin it for you sooner rather than later, regardless.

I am just not seeing how if the current system is “fine” that the old one was particularly bad. Especially if they made adjustments to make it feel less oppressive. Because let’s be real, if they did not reduce your SR after beating a team with a leaver, we all know nobody would have complained about it. So to pretend there was a widespread pushback about those ideas entirely is some revisionist history as far as I am concerned.

But whatever, I am not that against the current system. I am just of the attitude that we can always improve it and ironically reverting it with some changes would be a step forward.

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How about that if people in party and someone leaved, the whole party got SR loss? So, parties will not abuse it. You can add disconnections stat near lvl in profile, random people will see if this worthy to play with guy or not. Imo this will help so much to people who are playing alone, like me, when random guy just leave because we are lost a point at the second round.

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That fixes the issue from the attacking teams perspective where they don’t lose SR because an enemy left. The issue is that the team who have a leaver are punished much harder.

The points about people trying to abuse people to leave do the receive less of an SR loss can be dealt with by reporting+muting the offending parties. Alternatively a stack may threaten mass false report a player.
Neither of these situations would actually be an issue if Blizzard actually had a halfway decent report system and actually investigated the issues and issued out warnings to say they were indeed watching people’s behavior.

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On the other hand I won a 5v6 plat game as a Zen.

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Having a leaver doesn’t mean you instantly lose, the mentality that you instantly lose is probably why you are. :slight_smile:

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This is exactly my point

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No, there could be rules for stacks and rules for solo queues who leave.

See the further points above by other members.

Mike hunt even says you know better

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EXACTLY which is why I don’t see how this change would be exploited unless you’re spending hundreds of dollars and wasting 15+ hours for every new account I don’t think anyone wants to do that.

If I ruin the game for EVERYONE ELSE then yeah I would kind of expect to be punished for it

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You are, for 10 minutes. If you repeatedly leave it goes up exponentially.

I find their system better then yours. It’s somewhat forgiving of the rare issue out of our control, but quickly ratchets up for actual leavers.

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It’s a bad system and they have even said if you have unreliable internet don’t play the game. You should be punished more heavily for leaving and ruining the game for literally everyone else.

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I’d like to see a flat 24 hour ban implemented when someone leaves a competitive match, regardless of if it’s the first person to leave or not, and eliminate the other effects of leaving.

24 hours of no play on that account would be more of an incentive to stay, and would also cut down on people swapping accounts and leaving on their other characters also.

Sure, this may cause a so called ‘innocent’ to get a 24 hour ban, but I look at it as an incentive to fix their internet or PC issues. Having a lousy internet connection or PC that can’t handle gaming punishes other people who do not have these issues.

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Blizzard needs to formally open the topic back up. Because in my experience, they made a decision and haven’t looked back on it with the community in years.

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Having a leaver means the rules have been broken and therefore the match has as well.

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I think my solution would work perfectly (I wrote about it above), at least it much better than now.

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An account ban wouldn’t be fair, regardless. Because we have 2 issues. and yes, I still agree punishments need to be served, where deserved.

Part I.

I dont support what they are doing. But I do agree a MODE lockout is FAIR. I’ve only left 1 comp match in the last 2 years and that was because someone LITERALLY attacked my ISP edge router THROUGH a pathway through Blizzard’s network and knocked me out of the match.

Here is my scenario,
I had been “tactical crouching” a repear that kept bothering me the whole game and next thing you know, my router flat-lined within a short amount of time of doing this, and I checked the logs that someone via the connection to the game had SLAMMED my router with ICMP flooding. Yes, people can STILL do this and take it out on players. So no game is “invincible” to hackers.

But because I got knocked out of the game, shouldn’t mean that my entire game should be closed. I did re-log, reboot the router quickly and get back into the match. Completed the match and won. I still lost my SR points, but I sure had wished I had a good router that was fancy enough to print off some logs and send it to Blizzard. of course I reported it to them as well.

Now some might agree Tactical crouching is kinda low. BUT regardless, hacking and exploiting a network in the United States is a CRIME. What I did was childish and kinda lame. What they did, again, was ILLEGAL.

I’ve had this happen 2 other times, I was on Eichenwalde and someone on the server and I were having some sort of dispute. My friend and I gave a good “tactical crouch” to that player and my friend got knocked out of the match from a D/C, so players DO experience other players that EXPLOIT the servers from time to time.

Part II.

The next problem is. There are MORE fresh accounts that are throwing competitive, than those whom have long-term accounts. We have ALOT more to lose than someone whom just literally bought a separate account and acted out. As I have discussed with WM, that players buying new accounts are ABUSING this system and taking it out on others, disrupting the game and making it more difficult for blizzard to maintain player interest.

Its hurting the company and should be addressed, for the fact that in the P/L shareholder’s statements during the quarterly report that Overwatch was “less than proffitable”. I would HOPE they address this soon, because League can only maintain its momentum for so long, before it runs its course.

So in essence, banning an account that is new has NO effect. Because that same individual can repeatedly violate the system.

Part III.

So what Blizzard WILL have to do, is to invest in a NEW player rating system that specifically focuses around Competive, so the players, regardless of time played, will be in matches with players that focus on not throwing, and The big FOCUS. For a system that counters those whom decide to randomly commit acts of outrage and throwing during a competitive game and have little to NO impact on their team mates.

:slight_smile:

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I’m not asking for an account ban. I’m saying remove all other penalties, and implement a 24 hour suspension on ANY leaver.

You leave, you get suspended for 24 hours. Period.

This is specifically for Comp.

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It’s harder, no doubt.
But it’s not impossible, and is still very much winnable.

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You can leave for free about 1:30 seconds after that person leaves. That’s your “Don’t hurt my SR Plz” answered for you.

You shouldn’t care about your rank anyway, it only drags you down in the end.