I imagine Jeff or somebody from the team going to the stage and with big smile announcing:
“…and I want to present the newest Overwatch game mode: 3 CP!”
I like 2CP, I really liked Horizon so don’t use phrase “all”. I like 2CP maps design and estetics. They are fine in Quick Play and I’m sad thay some of them are gone already.
I didn’t like it on competitive when matches were more than 2 rounds. But I don’t mind chokes or respawn mechanics which many ppl hates.
They should have introduce map preference system long time ago
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I hate some control maps. I insta leave Nepal & Ilios (QP). I don’t enjoy Lijang or Busan usually but it’s not that terrible.
Oasis is the only fine IMO.
So don’t assume everyone likes KOTH. I would remove KOTH before 2CP if I had to make such call
Don’t worry, they will then say “push sucks bro”
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How is the objective equivalent to a choke? Because you’re forced to fight on it? That’s wrong again. You’re supposed to push up ahead and create space so you can move the payload/robot or choke as you refer to it.
Maybe you should learn what the term choke actually means or what it entails.
Stop taking the high road and pointing fingers. You think I’m the only one that doesn’t like 2CP. Why do you think it’s not in OW2? Because I don’t like it, that’s right, I’m Jeff Kaplan.
Leaving a comp game incurs SR loss and a temp ban. Leaving QP during setup incurs no penalties, not even the -75% experience leaver penalty. Blizzard doesn’t care and will not take any additional action.
You’re on an awfully high horse and arguing with slippery slope fallacies. I don’t care if people leave during setup, even on a comp game given that it’ll just close the game out. If you hate a mode enough to leave it, leave it. I don’t care, and Blizzard doesn’t either.
Also, Blizzard has more data than just the forums. You say there’s no way to know how much a mode is disliked, but Blizzard has a LOT of ways to track this stuff. HLC and Paris got disabled because it was common in QP to see 10+ people leave during setup. They felt like the mode was hated enough to just take it out. It’s not anarchy or any of the other nonsense you mentioned, it’s listening to the fanbase.
It sucks that you don’t like it, I guess, but given your attitude of “follow the rules or don’t play at all” maybe you shouldn’t play at all if you don’t like the rules? Blizzard enables this.
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That’s exactly part of my point. They’re letting the community make their own rules which is chaotic. Plain anarchy can never lead a multiplayer game to becoming something positive, hence why Overwatch has such a toxic community (and one of the many reasons people left the game).
Not everyone plays Competitive. QP should provide a positive experience all the same. People leaving without major penalties for leaving matches is not the best way of ensuring this. Keep in mind that many other games punish leavers even when it’s unranked matches.
As opposed to people bragging happily they’ll keep on leaving games or throwing them because they don’t like a mode and its maps which, according to your “standards” is perfectly fine and doesn’t stand for people being entitled or on their high horse, knowing they won’t be punished for disrupting a game (and thus discouraging many players from playing Overwatch because of all the chaos).
Imagine if everyone would do that. All game modes would be removed. What you’re saying is that us players should leave whenever there’s something we dislike… If most people had that childish mentality, trust me, Blizzard’s data would show that the playerbase doesn’t like any of the Overwatch game modes.
I mean, I could stoop so low and simply leave every Escort map I don’t like just like you and your buddies do for 2CP but that goes against my principles and gamer ethics. It’s really disheartening for the future of multiplayer gaming that people like you simply don’t have any. The future doesn’t look bright for video games.
Blizzard enables it and look at where the company’s at. If being so permissive with toxicity and disruptive players was successful, Overwatch wouldn’t be in such a poor state in 2022. And the saddest part about it is that players that leave 2CP will keep on blaming Blizzard when the game ends up in an even worse state, instead of blaming their behavioral issues.
I wonder why Blizzard is even defending those toxic players. They’ll learn the hard way that they just wasted their time and resources on people that will never be satisfy because of their selfishness and entitlement. The game will always have issues for those people. When 2CP is gone, something else will be compaigned for removal from the game.
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The space used for being able to push the payload is very small. If you have played Push many hours on the beta, you would be honest and confirm that 40-50% of a Push map is barely or plainly not used at all.
Plus, pushing a robot / payload in a 5 V 5 is counterintuitive 'cause most of the time, fights engaged are 4 V 5 because someone has to afk and push the thingy which doesn’t sit well with a faster-paced version of Overwatch the OW team wants to head to for PVP 2.0.
Believe it or not, 2CP would be perfect in a 5 V 5 setup, just like KOTH is the most successful mode on the Beta. If the OW team was less in a hurry and hat time to get things into perspective, they would also realize that “Capture the flag” should becomes a standard mode in a 5 V 5 setup.
A faster-paced and deathmatchy Overwatch doesn’t need slow and mobile objectives such as payload / robot. It needs static objectives and even faster matches such as Capture the flag (you get the flag and bring it back to the base, which is static).
I was just messing with you 'cause your problem with choke has no real sense and is simply based on your subjectivity / bias. My statement is that every game mode can be criticized because certain aspects are annoying. You think “chokes” are annoying, well I think “payloads” are annoying. The only difference between me and you is that I won’t be compaigning for Escort maps to be removed from the game.
Because the OW team doesn’t know what they’re doing or where they’re headed because they waste so much energy trying to satisfy a portion of the playerbase that will never be happy, no matter what they do, at this point.
What we experienced on the Beta shows that there’s no real direction anyways. They made us test a game that copy-pasted 70-80 % of the content from a previous game while removing key features of said game which makes roles and game modes almost irrelevant to the faster-paced game they want to force. Balancing roles will be a nightmare from now on. Good luck to them.
I hope it won’t take them ages to realize that they should remove roles if they want a game were solo impact is the primary focus.
That’s the reality of where the game is at. If they seriously intend to release PVP 2.0 by the end of the year, the state of the game will be even more inconsistent. PVP 2.0 needs another year or 2 of development.
Grow up.
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You’re missing mine. You’re reporting people and claiming it’s a rule violation. It’s not. Blizzard doesn’t penalize people for doing it.
It’s…smart business sense? They want us invested. Us is a macro, general term. 2CP did not do that.
You REALLY think that people leaving 2CP in quickplay is even in like, the top 10 reasons why people left this game?
It’s a 6 year old “live service” game that hasn’t had meaningful content in over 2 years, and if you cut it back to 3 years (aka half of its lifespan), extremely little content. I think it’s been 1, MAYBE 2 heroes? I forget when Sigma came out, but we’re fast approaching his 3rd year anniversary. That’s been the number one reason.
There’s also the whole…sexual assault scandal thing. I don’t know if you noticed but there’s that whole thing about the company having a widespread culture of sexual assault, misconduct, and misogyny. That has driven off people in droves, too.
I play QP WAY more than anything else. I am not bothered by people leaving during setup, and the vast majority of people who do get backfilled and the game moves on without a hitch. Once in a while there’s a disadvantage at the first team fight, but those are rare. Games that are so close where I can sit back and say “man, it would have been different if not for that person who left during the 14 minute long set up time” are even rarer. QP isn’t always a great experience, but it’s very, VERY rarely because someone left in the first 10 seconds of setup.
“Everyone else does it!” Ad Populum fallacy, my man.
Well, yeah, you’re being pretty arrogant and acting like you’re above people. I don’t really care. Hence, I’m not on a high horse, you are. I’m not “entitled” to anything. I’m doing what Blizzard allows me to do.
Again, lack of content, sexual assault, old game.
lmao what? How do you even figure? The game is six years old. Six. That’s 2,191 days. That’s a LONG time to figure out what people like or don’t like. 2CP has a problem, the other three game modes don’t. We’ll see about Push, I guess, but no one has said “oh sick 2CP is gone get rid of hybrid now!”
Slippery slope fallacy.
Yes. Yes I am. If there’s nothing I like in the game like you’re suggesting? Then it’s not the game for me and I’ll move on. If there’s nothing that anyone likes in the game like you’re suggesting? It’s a bad game and it’s doomed to fail anyway. Of course, people like the other three game modes for the most part so it’s not a big deal.
Again. People DO have that mentality. It’s why 2CP is getting taken out. The other modes are fine. It’s been six years. You act like it’s new that people don’t like it and we’re at some watershed moment and people are just hungry for something to dislike. You’re missing the point entirely.
You should. Literally last night in a game of Busan my friends and I were playing, saw someone whose BattleTag was the nickname my friend had for her rabbit, “OH HEY LOOK IT’S YOUR RABBIT LOL” and then that person left, and the response was “and she’s gone. Oh well.” And guess what? Someone backfilled, the game was fine, and we won. SO MUCH CHAOS.
Okay? Good for you, Captain Ethics. It’s real heroic of you to stay in those games you don’t like. Get this guy a medal and a meeting with the president. Don’t break your own arm patting yourself on the back before you meet him.
lmao yes it does. That’s so ridiculous. “The future of gaming isn’t very bright because people aren’t exactly like meeeeee”
Man. That sexual assault lawsuit probably wouldn’t be happening if people just sucked it up and played 2CP or didn’t listen to those dastardly streamers.
It’s a six year old live service game. Suffering a content drought. And the company is mired in sexual assault, union busting, breast milk stealing, nude sharing and bullying, and Bobby Kotick existing scandals. It REALLY isn’t people leaving 2CP in quickplay, and it’s nuts to me that you think that’s even near the top of the problems that Blizzard has. It’s not even toxic. Disruptive? Extremely mildly, IMO, but toxic? Boy you need to brush up on what words mean.
Slippery slope. How do you know that? You think that because you like 2CP it’s totally fine and everyone else is just delusional. It’s an unpopular game mode because to a lot of people it’s simply not fun. You have mentioned they “caved” to forum pressure, and that people are parroting streamers. It’s not fun for a lot of people. It’s a static, bash your head into the wall game mode that can be ended by happenstance and dumb luck. If you like it, cool, if not, whatever, Blizzard sees and hears the community at large and has decided to remove it.
Again, how is it toxic? How is it toxic to not like a mode? If you want to call it disruptive, fine, I still disagree with you on a large scale but how is it toxic? How does it actually hurt you as a person?
Slippery slope fallacy.
It wouldn’t be, given that it’s not fun.
According to who? You? You have already said there’s no way to know how many people don’t like 2CP, but you happen to know which game modes are the most or least successful? Is it the one YOU personally enjoyed the most? Great. I’m glad. Hope you have fun, but you don’t know. You’re arrogant in thinking that everyone is or should follow your example.
I’ll be honest, the static element is what I hated about 2CP. If they decided to make the primary game modes CtF, KotH, and 2CP, I would probably quit OW altogether and I can’t imagine the game doing as well as it could. If I’m wrong, though, that’s very likely the direction the game will head. If I’m the odd man out I’ll find something else I like.
Your entire perception of both the game and people is based on your subjectivity and bias.
If Escort maps were as big of a problem as 2CP it would happen, but, you know, after six years it’s clearly not the case.
I disagree. Roles were still pretty important, but the way the game is played is changing. Teams who cooperate and synergize will still be better than teams that don’t. More individual impact is possible, but 5v1+1+1+1+1 will still see the 5 winning out.
Balancing roles is a nightmare now.
If you’re right then open queue will become the dominant playstyle. I don’t think it will, but we’ll see.
That would be the death knell for OW as a whole, and not because of 2CP leavers. This whole idea is a joke.
Incredible levels of irony here.
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Just because they don’t doesn’t mean it’s right. Reporting leavers is perfectly fine and I will continue to do as such.
So people bragging about how proud they are to leave games on a multiplayer game where there are rules is not arrogant and acting above people ? You’re pretty biased just because I put you on the spot for something you’re doing that is questionable which is leaving games and polluting the well-being of the game.
Digusting way of thinking and you don’t get to select what you want to play or not. It’s like playing Uno cards and keeping only the rules that are comfortable to YOU. That’s not a mindset that is sustainable on a multiplayer game… You know, “multi”, meaning you get to play with other people and that your interests only are not what’s the most important thing…
Both fallacy and speculation.
Nothing to do with me, yet everything to do about people not abiding by the code of conduct in online games such as Overwatch. This is really concerning that you would even think you’re right about doing whatever you want on Overwatch, with no concern about others.
Bias + not factual.
I hope players like you eventually do, not only for Overwatch but for any multiplayer games altogether. The multiplayer game industry doesn’t need you.
And yet my points were being made while all you do is repeat nonsense and turning subjectivity into facts which is dishonest (and are not even worth answering to).
Anyways. I won’t repeath myself. I think I’ve covered everything about the 2CP bias. I won’t waste more time talking to a wall. Keep on leaving matches and being toxic, whatever. Gaming ethics suck, anarchy is the way to go 
Actually, according to Blizzard’s own code of conduct, false reporting is not fine, and will result in penalties to the account flagging things that are not against the rules.
You’re the one not adhering to the code of conduct. People leaving 2cp games in QP are. You just can’t handle being wrong.
If a game of Uno is being played with a deck that is unfair and not fun to play with, then yes I’m going to stop playing Uno and bow out. It’s entirely childish to act like anyone OWES you a game of Overwatch quick play.
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Temple of anubis is my favourite map, gonna miss it. Hanamura can be alot of fun too.
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This is not false reporting. Leaving games on purpose is not acceptable and people that boycott a map or game mode should be held accountable. I’ve never had penalties for reporting people and would often get “thank you” messages for reporting people ('cause they deserved it).
My account is lvl 5 endorsement wise so you’re free to believe I’m the problem. The reality and facts say otherwise.
People that don’t play Competitive and play QP only deserve a sustainable experience without the toxic players that leave games without caring about others.
I get it that sometimes people have disconnecting issues (I don’t report them, of course) but players that would write “phunk 2CP, I’m out” in chat and that proceed to leave right away deserve every report people ever sent against them.
Feel free to disagree but if you’re entitled to leaving 2CP and boycotting parts of the game, leave me be when reporting people for having those behavioral issues on a multiplayer game and ruin the experience to others on a regular basis.
Edit : Reminder, my first post was simply a statement that I would keep reporting people that leave on purpose as a response to people that kept bragging that they would keep leaving 2CP until it’s gone. Nothing else.
2CP =/= unfair game (that you compare to an unfair deck of cards). It’s only a twisted analogy that came out of your mind.
Nobody owes me a QP match on Overwatch. I’m just protective of a healthy gaming experience for everyone. I’m not hurt or upset on a personal level, I’m just trying to make everything I can on my small level so Overwatch doesn’t get entirely overwhelemed by toxicity and behavioral issues.
If I was a problematic player, I would have been banned multiple times on multiplayer games. It never happened, whether it’s on Overwatch or elsewhere. I get it that my writings may sound aggressive on the forums but I’m simply responding with the same tone toxic people use.
I will not turn the other cheek. I will speak my mind, whether people will like it or not, just like you people leave 2CP games without caring it ruins people’s experience on Overwatch.
Simple as that.
Your opinion. Not mine, or Blizzard’s.
Well, for one, I never said you couldn’t, but let’s play by the rules, Captain Ethics. https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/42673 it’s not a violation of the code of conduct, clearly, given that there’s literally no punishment for it. But you know what there IS punishment for?
“While we encourage you to report players that are behaving in a disrespectful manner, falsely reporting another player with the sole intent of restricting their gameplay is also unacceptable and will result in penalties to your account.”
You’re trying to force me to play the game in a way that Blizzard doesn’t want by abusing the report system! I can’t wait for your account to be permabanned! /s
But, honestly, reports are to notify Blizzard of violations of the code of conduct, which this isn’t. Keep reporting if you want, but as long as we’re clear on that.
Here’s the thing, who’s bragging? I’m not bragging. It’s a statement of fact. People, like the entire point of this thread, don’t like 2CP. I don’t think it’s some token of accomplishment or badge of honor. It’s a statement of fact in the middle of a discussion about a public conversation regarding whether or not 2CP sucks, which I think it does.
You think I’m uncomfortable because I’m intimidated by your superior morality, but you’re the one who has your underwear in a knot because people don’t like your favorite game mode or abide by YOUR personal code of “gamer ethics.”
lmao yeah, you’re not arrogant at all.
I literally do though. Blizzard does not punish people for leaving exhibition or arcade games during setup. I’m allowed to do it because Blizzard allows me. If YOU disagree with it, fine by me, but I am perfectly allowed to lol
You’ve already used this comparison, and it’s not a good one. A better comparison, imagine if the only place to play Uno was a local game store that owned the game, and they had thousands upon thousands of tables, and there were four different rulesets, but one of them was widely unpopular and one of them people said “oh, we’re playing Uno 2CP? Eff this” and they leave the table. And this becomes a widespread enough problem that the company running this Uno hall is like “okay guys, we’re replacing Uno 2CP with Uno Push, we think it’ll work out better.” There would be a small section of people in the back stamping their feet and yelling “BUT WE LIKE 2CP, OMG, YOU SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE TABLES!” and the owners of the hall said “no, no, you can totally leave when the game type is announced, it’s okay, and honestly WAY too many people aren’t fans of it, it will be better for the hall and the players if we just got rid of it.”
Like everything you’ve said isn’t the same lmao but I’ll play along.
I’m not gonna verify the dates because I don’t care enough to go dig all this out, buuuut
HLC and Paris got removed a few months ago
Almost a year ago 2CP got announced as being discontinued
HLC and Paris were announced to be getting “reworked” a few months prior to that
Almost two years ago there was that failed experiment card of “one of the many ways we have tried to unsuccessfully fix 2CP, we just wanted you guys to see the ways we’re trying to fix it!”
There was that patch where respawn at point B was made instantaneous for a few seconds after point A was taken because people were tired of getting both points taken in a matter of like 45 seconds.
https://mystgraphics.com/overwatchforumarchive/maps-assaultmaps.html here’s an archived post from December 2016 of Jeff Kaplan admitting that Hanamura has a problem. 2CP has been struggling for a long time, dude. Not opinion, factually.
There’s probably more, but it was an unpopular mode even before this. Most pros, streamers, and players just don’t like it.
It’s not a violation of Blizzard’s code of conduct. It’s a violation of YOUR personal code of conduct. It’s EXACTLY what you’re saying. The future of gaming isn’t very bright in your opinion because people don’t ascribe to your way of thinking.
Okay, but, 2CP is being taken out because no one likes it.
Why is it SOOOO disgusting though? It’s how it works. If people don’t like the product the product won’t work. That happened to 2CP, clearly.
Sure, except for the part where it’s being taken out because most people didn’t find it fun. I found MULTIPLE posts from 2017 of people saying 2CP wasn’t liked. Titles like “remove it entirely” “why everyone hates it” “it’s garbage” etc. The community has been against it for a long, long time. You’re on the outside of this one.
/shrug multiplayer game industry is doing pretty all right with people like me and the people at large who don’t like 2CP enough for it to be taken out of the game.
You literally do the same thing lmao where is your evidence for ANY of this? King of the Hill is OW2’s most successful game mode! People are too stupid to know they actually LIKE 2CP it’s just an echo chamber problem!
You are…you are a trip. Hope you get a nice trophy for your ethics.
Not acceptable to YOU.
YOUR OPINION.
I’ve never gotten suspended for leaving games! We’re on the same level!
Oh my God you deserve TWO medals! What facts? WHAT FACTS lmao
YOUR OPINION STILL
What about these facts? A Blizzard tech support agent telling you that you’re inappropriate for your reports.
Same.
You’re getting toxicity because you’re arrogant lol “all I’m doing is telling people that they’re bad people and disgusting humans for doing things that are allowed by Blizzard, why is everyone so mad?”
Cool, so we’re on the same page there at least.
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So, following this logic you ARE falsely reporting people. You may not be suspended for it, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t breaking the rules. I guess you are an unethical gamer after all.
That post only concerns Competitive for what I can tell and it doesn’t say anything about people who say “eff this game / eff 2CP” and that proceed to leave which can easily stand for abusive chat and griefing / inactivity since they’re literally announcing they’re about to leave because they want to boycott a match or an entire game mode.
The post you linked seems to suggest that reporting leavers in a Comp match without connecting back is not reportable (which I agree with and I personally never reported a leaver in a Competitive match because most of the time it was disconnecting issues, I can’t remember having someone deliberately leaving and announcing it in Competitive, at the elo I was playing in).
Nice try but unless someone from the OW team clearly states it’s ok to to grief and boycott (by leaving on purpose) an entire game mode after having announced they were willing to do so in chat (with derogative terms), I’m gonna keep reporting toxicity and players with behavioral issues.
What you posted is basically out of topic and doesn’t match the thing I was reporting. The very topic of this thread is boycotting parts of the game, not leaving a game because of disconnecting issues or out of temporary anger over a losing match.
People that leave 2CP are doing it for an entirely different reason that is not covered by what you just posted (and it usually happens in QP because when 2CP was present in Competitive, people wouldn’t leave as they were too afraid of losing their precious SR).
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/how-to-report-leaver/330019/4
The Widow left MID MATCH after saying “see ya later retards” and this is what was said about reporting leavers.
He goes on to say that if someone does abusive chat while leaving, like “see ya later retards” THAT’S reportable for abusive chat, but the leaving is NOT. You REALLY think that leaving MID MATCH in comp is somehow less disruptive than leaving in the beginning of the game?
The punishment is built in, thus reporting it is not okay. For all modes. They’re okay with it in quickplay setup.
Leaving is indisputably NOT reportable offense. I don’t personally care that you’re doing it, but you’re on some huge tirade about “gamer ethics” against people who didn’t even break a rule.
You keep telling people they’re disgusting and ruining the game and genuinely bad people because they don’t ascribe to your personal gamer philosophy, and you’re surprised that people think you’re arrogant, rude, and pretentious.
You’re free to think what you what, but I’m free to disagree with you and think you’re rude for how you conduct yourself.
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Since my past comments from another thread have come into this one, I will reiterate that if a leaver is unexplained and random, they should not be reported. A leaver can occur for a variety of reasons, including disconnections and even when the timing feels like they did it intentionally. When a person leaves a Competitive match and fails to return, they are suspended for 15 minutes or more, depending on how frequently they are leaving games. It also takes as little as five leaver violations to trigger a season ban and three season bans permanently bans that account from the Competitive Play mode. In all modes, repeatedly leaving will invoke harsh XP penalties and reduction in Endorsement level status.
If they are being disruptive in communication or finding other ways to sabotage a match such as blatant feeding or inting, please report that.
I also will remind all of you that the Overwatch Team is aware of the increase in disruptive behavior overall, and Community Manager AndyB did confirm increased steps of action to cut down on that behavior is coming soon.
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inb4 “see he says UNEXPLAINED if they say ‘eff 2cp’ and leave it’s NOT unexplained!” even though Myst literally says a Widow saying “see ya later retards” and leaves mid match isn’t reportable for leaving, but is reportable for abusive chat.