How will the devs fix the Junker Queen meta?

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  1. By nerfing Junker Queen
  2. By nerfing Brig

Which option will they choose?

Nerfing JunkerQueen sounds like a bad move from a marketing PoV, because she’s 1 of the major selling points of October 4th.

Nerfing Brig sounds more realistic. But why would they? The hero received dozens of nerfs already but still dominates the Pro level.

Lucio is not an option because he always existed in his current form and was always situational, and the majority of players think he’s nicely balanced as he is.

This meta is actually worst than goats in terms of domination. At least Goats had map-dependent variations. Monkey was played in various maps with high grounds (instead of Rein).

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Both are a non issue for normal players.

JQ is very lackluster outside of shout that needs a perfectly coordinated team to get value of. It was also nerfed already.

Brig has lost everything that made her unique. Especially the CC and the armor. So you cant really remove anything else.

You have to stop to look at OWL all the time. The place that uses comps that are impossible to use without extreme coordination.

JQ will be a “meh” pick for ranked and Big will be “good” but boring.

So nerfing one or both of them makes no sense at all. We have another “but OWL!” topic here. Let OWL die and burn to the ground. They destroyed enough heroes for the sake to being “enjoyable to watch for OWL”.

Also no its not “worse then goats”. The team comp where you shoot at shields 24/7 and nothing dies. This is a rush comp that is very close to dive that is supposed to be this “best comp” (complete BS in my opinion).

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This sounds wise and realistic.

Blizzard will certainly let its multi-million dollar product die to please some of us.

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You maybe have not noticed it but the OWL teams are reducing the costs, OWL has lost the sponsors and there are rumors that everything will be shut down until maybe PvE.

OWL was never good and they played themself into a corner. Without sponsors OWL is not profitable anymore and the teams also know this and start to pull out.

Yes it seems to be coming to and end.

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Conspiracy theory: They even intentionally created this boring meta to accelerate the death of their own league.

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It seems like you dont even want to discuss the topic.

At the end it does not matter and if OWL dies and gets build up from the ground in a new way it will be better for everyone. Currently it just does not work and is not profitable for anyone.

That they also play a game that is not out yet is also an issue. Who would have thought…

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Both

Nerf Brig’s Repair Packs from 55hps to 50.
Nerf JQ’s Commanding Shout CD from 11s to 13

See where things go from there?

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It seems that you don’t want that.

The topic is “how will Blizzard fix the meta”, not “let’s predict the death of the league”

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And the compensation? Otherwise you nerf “meh” characters for the sake of OWL and let the character rot for the people who play the game.

You started with this “but look at OWL!”. Thats what I said about this:

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You think that’s enough?

Look like minor nerfs to me.

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Brig might need a flat nerf, based on her winrate data in the 2nd beta. Like, 5v5 gave her a LOT of indirect buffs.

Same for JQ. She saw a really high winrate for such a new hero, far above Sojourn.

I really don’t know where their best balance sits, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable that they might be on the high end of the scale for ladder play.

As I said, see where it goes from there.

I don’t want the heroes overnerfed, but if they remain op for over another month, keep going. Drop Brig’s hps to 45, and drip JQ’s primary damage. Seems like a safe bet.

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All this, and the other “let OWL burn to death” , don’t answer the questions of the topic.

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They both dont need anything anymore. JQ was nerfed and Brig is good at what she does (body guarding other supports) but is otherwise useless.

Brig needs changes to make her more interesting and I think they even want to change her ult because it was to weak.

Winrate and pickrate also have to be looked at together. Otherwise you dont get the picture and Brigs pickrate was pretty low. So a niche character that tends to have a good winrate because of it.

So again. What would you buff to balance out the nerfs? If you want to make her weaker in high level you have to buff aspects that benefit low rank players because the characters otherwise fall complete out of the game for like 80% of the people.

Its simple balancing…

The question of pure speculation “what if?”. Bro… there is no meta because there is no game. We will have to wait what Fox Girl has to say about this because currently its a non issue and therefore does not need any kind of discussion. Let us talk one week after launch about this.

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I mean even Zen had a high win rate, but he’s nowhere to be seen.

It’s more of a synergy/kit issue. We’re back at AoE creep again.

Man… these forums amaze me everyday.

What’s wrong with speculations and meta-talks?

You don’t like a topic just move on. Why you try to deviate the thread and prevent people from discussing it?

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I disagree, personally.

In 5v5, she has one less tank to heal.
That’s massive for her, because her 6s cooldown on Repair can actually be used as a potent main healer for her whole team now.

In 5v5, snipers and flankers are very strong
That’s massive for her, as her barrier is the only reliable support tool that can deny headshots, and her kit is the best suited in the support role to duel flankers.

In 5v5, mobility is even more important
That’s massive for her, as she has the best mobility-enabling healing in the game, able to linger potent heals on multiple targets beyond los.

I just feel like you’re sleeping on her potential. She’s good, and surprisingly versatile.

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The only way is to nerf the overheal. The speed is powerful too but 300 hp dps diving 200hp hero is never gonna be balanced.

The thing is they knew this from brig and she was only able to do that to one hero.

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Nothing but to rally people together for another round of “lets nerf brig and JQ again!” before the game is even out is stupid. Because you started with this topic. Not pure speculation but direct “lets nerf some heroes”.

This witch hunting causes more harm as good. I am out of here. :wave:

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You seem to be surprised! Of course they nerf the heroes that caused the meta.

I wonder what’s the thought process of the hero design team when creating and reworking heroes.

Also it’s amazing that JQ is played even in high-ground heavy maps.

I bet the devs put maps like Gibraltar for the sake of forcing people to pick other comps. But seems to not be enough.

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Let’s not use the meta as an excuse to nerf brig, (sigh, again).

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I actually do think she doesn’t need nerfs for the majority of the player base.

Which means she needs a rework.