How I tricked the OW Comp Matchmaking to reach Diamond in S14

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Hello community!

I’ve been pulling myself back on writing this article for a couple of seasons, but now that competitive changes might be coming, I might as well share this system so that some of you can climb up before the game fundamentally changes to another game. I used this trick to climb from 2.6 to 3k in about 1 week. I’ve let my rank drop in these following seasons because I lost the will to climb and am enjoying the game with my best friend at a lower rank :slight_smile:

Do you think that you are stuck in a rank bellow your real one? Are you sick of getting those one sided games in competetive where its ROLL or be ROLLED? Is the industrial complex keeping you down?

Well, I have the thing just for you. I am certain a lot of you have noticed that those ROLL and be ROLLED games appear both in competitive and quick play. This guide operates under the assumption that we have not been told everything about how the matchmaking works and takes the following hypothesis as true for it’s claim:

  1. Matchmaking is linked across Quick Play and Competitive (and perhaps all the other modes);
  2. Matchmaking tries to place you in a game where the statistical possibility of both teams wining is the same, taking into consideration SR, MMR and Sociability* - but not taking into consideration the main roles of players (hence those awesome 6 support main games);
  3. Matchmaking tries to keep you playing the game constantly (by feeding you wins after loses and vice-versa);

This hypothesis was tested over 150+ comp+qp games (63 of which were comp) and it let my climb consistently wining over 90% of the competitive games that came after applying this routine [losing only games when i wasn’t using this trick or when I got greedy and thought im really warmed up].

The routine is pretty simple, always play Quick play before queuing up for competitive, and keep on playing it until you hit a rock wall with the matchmaking, a game where you are the obvious carry (with decent medal stats) that simply can NOT be pushed beyond your team’s ineptitude. Once this game comes on, play until the end and then que for competitive and in case you get dropped out of a game, due to someone d/c-ing, start the routine all over, don’t que for another comp game.

From this, you will find out that OW and Blizzard will match bad players against you (if you have bad players the last match) and you will roll that team 90% of the time (regardless of team comps or your individual performance). With this procedure, I’ve won games where we rolled with 6 dps vs goats (and other rational comps), as well as other games where I was playing the dps and was doing 0 while my team was pwning. And when I say bad, I mean a nice soup of both MMR performance and TROLL index of that person.

*This ties well to what I call “Sociability” above, in which the matchmaker also places you with people that have a high chance of being OK and then a really big TROLL chance, so that they can keep the games feeling like a Sisyphus Ultra Challenge and we can keep on coming back to them because we know (unconsciously) that the next game will most likely be the opposite of the previous. This part of matchmaking can also be felt when you are chat banned and then come back to the game, in which the first 10 - 30 games (depending on YOUR behavior as well as the team’s performance) will probably be games with the scum of society.

TL:DR:

  • Matchmaking works across QP and Comp.
  • Play QP untill you get the troll game AND you carry that game to a lose.
  • Que for Comp and get the trolls against you.
  • Rinse, Repeat, Profit.
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Bet, wonder if this works in 4K sr lmao

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Interesting, i’ll test that.

But I have always played QP before comp, and I always play a QP game between my competitive games. Don’t know if i was actually applying that technique without knowing it ahah but yeah i’m climbing but not with a 90% winrate :sweat_smile:

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Try it out, let me know.

I think we might decide start climbing with my friend next season (if they do a 2-2-2 lock), so will do updates on the technique if we do :slight_smile:

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Except each mode has a different MMR… well, that was easy to disprove.

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This has been my experience as well. Trying the different modes for the first time, I’m always put against golds at first and have to earn my rank back. Has been the same for qp, comp, mystery, mayhem, and no limits. I highly doubt switching between the modes affects anything at all besides your mindset.

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The MMR of every mode is separate. Case closed. This entire post is entirely based off false conjecture and unsubstantiated anecdotes.

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Do you have a source for this?

Perfect. Let us look at your assumptions!

I don’t think this one is too much of a stretch.

I am not at all okay operating under this assumption. You need to substantiate this before anything else you type becomes compelling.

You will need to substantiate this one too. I’m not okay continuing under this assumption.

I don’t think that’s nearly enough.

You are assuming the matchmaker knows who is going to be the “obvious carry”?

Hm… things are getting conspiratorial in here.

And how did you rule out confirmation bias exactly?

Not only that, you have done nothing to establish the truth of the claims quoted above.

Yeah, without any substantiation I’m going to easily disregard this.

Combating your claims does not make us contrarians in the insulting way you are using it. You make a lot of risky assumptions and don’t substantiate anything, so you are in no position to attack people for disbelieving you or showing the many errors in your logic. Especially when you are trying to convince people this is in fact true.

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Believe it, or not, but it does make sense when you think about it.

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That guy posted literally zero proof or evidence for his position.

If he did and I didn’t see it let me know please.

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Really? I have just lost over 300 SR in one day… not a single game won. All the time stomped…

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Proof? Not really (Well other than getting banned from old forums with message “While this is most likely a troll post, posting internal data not available through normal gameplay is against our Forum Code of Conduct.”, but not sure can you think it as proof) , good theory? Yes. Troll or not. But since blizzard won’t tell us how it works really (Wondering why not, don’t know any other game which does the same), its only players word’s again’st other players word. Like pretty much 99% of posts on these forums.

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Everything Blizzard has ever said about Competitive and matchmaking is in the references section of the opening post:

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“The more sad part is we’re at a point that being a contrarian is somehow a bad thing. Apparently kowtowing to the herd is the only right way forward.” - Only a teflon-mind contrarian would think that anyone that is not a ‘contrarian’ automaticall falls into the group of ‘conformists’. No my little boy, they do not, and it is horrible to be a contrarian for the sake of it (when you dont agree with the words coming out of your mouth 50% of the time). Should I go through your posts to demonstrate how you post one opinion at one place, and then the contrary in another? This is what I remember you by, and I am just too lazy to bring them up + you are not worth it.

“Btw:MMR” - You are still operating under the assumption that Matchmaking is done via MMR and MMR only - which has NEVER been confirmed by the devs, nor do we know exactly how MMR works. The whole point of this thread is that matchmaking has another role and its not really trying to give us balanced games, but rather to keep us playing the game by delivering wins and losses in a balanced rate [similar to how most gambling traps work]. It should be noted that Blizzard has the biggest cognitive behavioural team (psychologists) from any triple A studio out there, so they are no strangers in creating patters that would keep you more addicted to their game.

@Sine, You want proof? Look at my seasons, hardstuck plat climbs to diamond one season, with ease and a big winrate - not playing my mains, and he does that in less then 1 week. If you want more proof, I can do it again, just pay me for it since I need to NOT play with my friend to prove sh i t to you.

As for the assumptions, I dont get where i claim it knows who is going to be an obvious carry. The only thing that you are supposed to be reading between the lines there is that the matchmaker know’s what player is toxic or not. I don’t get what more substantiation you need then the stats presented - this is here so that other people can try it out on their own. If you wanted me to rule out confirmation bias, then i need to play 1000+ games with this system (for a solid statistical sample) and do R analysis on it, for which, again - pay me (70$/hr) and i will do it just for you. You are contrarians not because you are combating my claims, but because you are doing it without any evidence (while crying for evidence) or extended opinions of your own.

Forum Moderator Note: Section attacking another poster removed. Keep to the topic, not the poster.

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You need to rethink this line of reasoning.

Show me another game that details exactly how MMR or SR is calculated.

They won’t do it because if we know what stats it looks for people will pad those stats in order to game the matchmaker.

Which means we should not take it as anything except an idea that we can’t know if it is true.

You don’t know the age or sex of this person so calling them a ‘little boy’ only makes you look more unreasonable.

Also being a contrarian is not inherently bad. You may want an echo-chamber, but that’s not something you should strive for.

You’re saying he’s not worth it, but you posted a wall of text.

Either have your cake or eat it.

Any source or way to substantiate this?

Source? This would be interesting.

Do you not?

That’s not proof. It’s actually not even slightly compelling honestly.
Do you understand that you need far more data to come to your conclusions?
I won’t pay you either. It is your job to substantiate your claims and it is not my job to fund it.

You can see the quote. And I was asking so I wasn’t claiming you said that. I was asking if you were claiming that.

How?

Really? What stats have you posted? And have you posted the methodology behind the gathering of those stats? Stats by themselves are basically worthless.

Cool, but you are not being honest with how little actual evidence you have for your position.

Also, I thought the reason was:

So which is it?

I do want you to rule it out, but your time is not worth that much to me and, again, it is your job to substantiate your claims, not mine.

Ah. Classic. Flipping the burden of proof.

I don’t need any evidence because I have not made a claim. I am scrutinizing your claim. I don’t need any evidence to simply point out the fallacious reasoning you are employing.

I’m also not “crying” for evidence. That language is what people backed into a corner with no logical defense use.

The fact that you have resorted to flipping the burden of proof and using intentionally insulting language shows me that you do not have a defensible position. Or, at least, you are not willing to adequately defend your position in a rational and respectful manner.

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yeah not buying it…

this is either the biggest oversight in competitive game history, or one of the craziest conspiracy theories i heard on this forum

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This will work for all the unhappy people on the forum, the unbelievers just have to strongly believe that this method is going to work.

Unfortunately it won’t work for me because I’m not the target audience for this method.

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This theory falls apart with your assumption if QP mmr and Comp MMR being related.

I can tell you based off of a few accounts that they clearly are not.

This account alone plays QP with low diamonds, because when I started this account I only played Mercy and Winston to see how far I could get taking aim stats out of the equation.

Then I did placements (you start at 2500 then rapidly adjust from there), I was in high plat/low diamond in 6 games in using Winston, then I got bored and dropped to low Gold with Genji.

Hundreds of levels and many comp.seasons later, this account is still gold (Genji is hard). But my QP games are still with low Diamonds or very high plat.

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But I will agree that the matchmaker is busted, and mostly in an effort to let everyone win 50% of the time when really, some accounts are misplaced and some people should be losing 99% of their games until they hit their real ELO. But the matchmaker coddles them, by splitting them between teams (it knows they are BAD and tries to make “fair” games around them so they don’t straight up quit the game entirely after losing 20 games in a row. Thus prolonging the agony of their misplacement on innocent teammates for HUNDREDS of games until they finally hit their ELO).

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Ah the misconceptions. Nobody is reading what is written, they just get ONE thing from the whole topic that they dont like and stick to it like a fly on a piece of feces. It’s wonderous how you are able to write a wall of text focused on those things while refusing to spend half the time to actually read the post.

@Sine, I am referring to my comp stats which are open to skim over and if you have a bit of investigative capabilities you could find the history per match on certain websites (stats which I cannot post because its against bliz forum TOS btw). You want big data? Big data is a f ing job, and you want me to give you a statistical sample of 1k+ for free, cus blizzard sure wont give us any data.

Your logic is so false it hurts, cus it seems that we went from “/if not contrarian = you must be a comformist” to "/if not contrarian and doesnt like ‘devil’s advocates’ = must only want an echo chamber. Funny how I make assumptions based on s o m e data, you make rebuttals based on your own personal opinion and when that gets called out you go to ad hominem. Fun stuff.

@Sleepybear - You obviously didnt read the article. It claims that there is M o r e then just the Mmr and we get matched according to the social environments we experience in ea game.