Hero bans are the only solution

They trIed a stronger Symmetra with DoubleBarrier.

It just ended up with
Symm + DoubleBarrier
Versus
Symm + DoubleBarrier

So the moment one of those characters is picked the other two are grayed out? So it reduces the choices still, just not as bad as the insane idea of 1-1-2-2.

If they do anything like this or 1-1-2-2 I sure hope it stays in the higher ranks/OWL as well as making a ton more tanks/supports. A lot of these complaints are just echoed at the lower ranks where most of the time it doens’t matter what is picked as long as you play well.

yeah that was 3.0 sym right. I proposed putting sym 3.0 primary fire on sym 2.0’s kit. That is just one idea i can think of like 100.

You could make attacks of certain heroes do more damage to barriers.

How about this: All laser beam and explosion type attacks do 15% more damage to barriers. Ok double shield meta dead I solved it.

One tricking is not bannable offence. He got banned because people at GM don’t like Sym and think he is throwing by picking her.

He also got banned for sabotaging games as Sombra.

While balancing certainly could be better to make more comps viable, reducing choice of characters has and always will be a terrible choice, particularly in a gaas style game where people invest a lot of time and sometimes money on their characters.

What’s dumb about the whole hero ban situation is that people are afraid that their one-tricks will be banned for being sub-optimal and not meta, when the whole hero ban system that was experimented by the high tiered players showed that it in fact creates variance and makes their sub-optimal and not meta heroes viable while inducing variance in team comps

Wouldn’t that mean there’s no reason for bans as they’re not actually broken? :man_shrugging:t2:

I thought that was just a set of show matches. I feel like ladder would be a different story… :thinking:

bring them in in both comp and QP

every player gets one vote
both teams vote
top hero on each team gets locked out for both teams
ties are randomly selected

one tricks can learn to adapt and swap rolls for once.

The issue isn’t that Rein is amazing. He’s good sure but not a problem good.

The issue is everyone else sucks. Try an Orisa mirror when you get the chance, it’s basically a 5v5 no main tanks she has so little impact.

If the problem was Rein (or anyone) was insanely effective then okay maybe hero bans would be a solution but forcing me to play main tank Sig, Orisa or Winston into current gen DPS is not fun for me, they are too weak for me to want to play the game like that. They are the issue, not Rein.

They need more heros before implementing the ban system

Until there are at least 10 supports and tanks this is going to feel bad. 1 support hero is a fairly substantial portion of the roster. There’s less overlap between supports as there are for dps.

I’ll never forget the week we had two support characters locked out. It felt really really bad.

hero bans, no matter how it’s implemented, doesn’t fix balance problems. if there’s an apparent balance hierarchy then all that a ban system does is just temporarily take out a or few (how many that gets banned) node/step in that hierarchy.

we want diversity? actually balance the heroes.