Which are a direct consequence to the incessant whinings to get 2-2-2 in the first place… Why are you trying so hard to turn tables ? you’re literally twisting the reality of the events.
Even the devs don’t want it. I guess they just realized how bad these forum’s ideas were (RQ, map bans, hardcore nerfs, constant whinings to get snipers nerfed etc…). They had to put an end to this mania coming from control freaks.
We can’t blame them for getting real and down to earth
Again, you can twist it as much as you want, there’s a clear difference between people that like the game system the way it was designed from the start and people that whine daily just to get a new system because they fail to adapt to how the game was created.
You can change the game as much as you want, people will never be satisfied as long as they don’t get a grip and start to learn the game mechanics.
I don’t need to to " turn the tables", 2-2-2 came in because it was and is popular, because Blizz supported it along with input from pros and coaches and analysts. Let’s be very clear who really pushed for it.
Don’t think that bans are 100% off the table, Blizz is notorious for comments like this then going the other way a year or two later. I know, I know,
“But Jefff saaaaaiiidddd…” and he often is on record literally denying things that became reality very shortly later more than once on major questions, or they may change later. My money is we will see a ban system in OWL, but not on the ladder at some point.
Which were never a great guarantor to the game being better as those ideas are only based on a small portion of players (1% or less).
We know streamers and pro are as responsible for bad nerfs, reworks or buffs as these forums, don’t you worry.
I don’t. I’ve learned quite fast that daily complaints can do the worst to a good game like Overwatch, that’s why it got worse ever since devs decided to listen to people instead of themselves.
I don’t trust anyone that runs a business. We all know money is the most important thing to them in the end.
Praise be. A lot of us have been saying for quite some time that it can’t be balanced to force a patch meant for 1% of the playerbase on the remaining 99% of players.
I hope we get different patches for GM and Top 500 in the future. What is considered “broken” to a Top 500 player may not be to a plat player and vice versa.
So you want the game to play out exactly how you want? Yeah I don’t think so, 222 was a necessary feature to balance the game and yes the game is far more balanced that it has ever been. Lets be honest, you simply don’t want to get stomped by a one trick or against characters like hanzo or widow that one shot. Do you seriously believe people will want to play the game anymore if whatever they main or love to play is banned? I can play any character in overwatch but its obvious I main a few that I can play all day without getting bored. You forcing me out of whatever hero I want to play makes me not want to play the game, so You might as well refund me money because I bought the game to play it. True balance will never be achieved, it will never happen, there will always be something better, there will always be a meta.
Do you know what would happen if you could ban heroes? This perceived meta you speak about will truly be another type of meta. I would call it the “ban meta”. Everyone would get on youtube and try to find ways to troll their enemies so they think they have a higher chance at winning. This will only cause toxicity and lets be real here, if a one trick sees their hero got banned they will either throw the match or leave. That will only make things worse, limiting players choice and forcing them to play characters they don’t enjoy is a turn off. Its almost like a dictatorship lol
Especially on a game where there are essential heroes to countering the enemy team’s composition. Games are already hard enough with people constantly throwing, tilting, leaving, one-tricking or not team playing.
Why would we want a system where the chances of winning are even lower and based on pure hero bans luck (ban the righ hero and you win, have a wrong guess and lose fast) ?
Let’s be logical for once. Glad devs are not pushing this, no matter how many complaints people are spamming on us through these forums.
No one guarantees anything, but we couldn’t persist with open 6-stack due to the increasing problems of trying to balance and prevent role stacking problems like GOATs with a cast projected to grow to 50-70 characters (Blizzards direct numbers). Something had to change to help balancing, 2-2-2 does this.
Again, not my point of view. Goats was resolved 3 months prior to 2/2/2 being pushed live.
To me and a lot of other people, there was no need to push 2/2/2 as it was a composition that was already available for everyone.
Just because players fail to play as a team doesn’t mean we should add restrictions.
We didn’t need further restrictions with hero bans, the game wasn’t designed around that yet around countering heroes with other ones.
The balance issue is very subjective too. I’ve never felt the game was poorly balanced (and no need to ask for my rank, I was Diamond since season 2, reached Master by season 4 and even reached GM quite some time - it’s safe to say ranks don’t matter when it comes to questioning balancing), not even once since 2006, except a few times where reworks were demanded by the community or when people would complain daily about certain heroes.
Yet it didn’t fix anything when it comes to balancing and created even more issues. As we all predicted, devs didn’t rebalance, rework or change anything major to heroes so they would fit 222…
Imagine the same thing happening with hero bans. It would just be unfair and unbalanced if we don’t get the right heroes to being able to counter the enemies.
As long as there’s counter-hero system, hero bans can’t work.
That problem was not the end of the world. Overwatch has always been tweaking things when a new meta was persistent (by nerfing a few heroes or creating new ones).
I don’t get why people are constantly bringing the Goats meta up… It’s just a meta like many others before.
Then do this first if they really want to remove the core of the game from Overwatch. But forcing hero bans with the way heroes work currently would only add more issues.
I still don’t get why people want every hero to be equivalent to one another, Overwatch is not a COD or Battlefield game
And if we’re being real, just because there are people that never change their picks doesn’t mean the majority of people don’t.
Not enough heroes yet for bans to exist. It won’t magically solve stale metas when most of the same heroes are viable (or best) on all maps. It’ll just shift the meta to be whatever is best once the same top heroes are banned.
Again, it wasn’t about GOATS per se… that was a symptom of a larger problem presented by open 6-stacks… the complexities of balancing for a roster for every combination up to 70 characters.
And again, I’m telling you this wasn’t a more important issue than any other former existing metas in the game…
It doesn’t have to be a complexity. Metas are a problem only for higher ranks because they play meta only… this doesn’t have to affect the other 99% of the playerbase.
I still stand by the fact that 222 should have only been forced for Pro-players (or Top 500 and GM as well). I know people in lower ranks love 222 as well because they happen to have 4-DPS stacks but I still think this was highly exaggerated. Most games are already 222 orientated except when we needed a specific composition to countering cheese comps or something alike.
It was interesting to play outside 222 as far as I’m concerned. Even Goats was pretty interesting or quad tanks.
Those are just opinions. Before Goats, people criticized other former metas such as Dragon-grav, Dive or whatever else there was.
This is just people being people and doesn’t stand as something serious based on facts. It’s just people ranting.
Just because there’s a majority of people that are wrong doesn’t meant they’re right. And to be honest, the forums commentators are just a loud minority. Most players don’t even participate in forums discussions so we can’t know what they think of this.
I think we are done here on that comment. Again, its not about GOATS per se, its about a system and underlying problem with metas and unforeseen balance issues.
Then “bye” if you can’t stand people thinking otherwise ! No need to quote me when I answer to people that are open about discussing this (if you’re not).
Oh noooooo, a game mechanic that might let the players themselves reject a certain distasteful meta (i.e. double shield mei/hanzo/reaper/doom etc.) that might make the game fun and diverse again! The horror! Oh no, my favorite hero got banned? Guess I’ll just have to play my second favorite hero! Unless I’m a one-trick, which then gosh golly I guess that means I’ll have to learn how to use some of the other 31 heroes! This is outrageous! Preposterous! Absolutely and emphatically poopy!
Seriously. Restrictions of freedom are not ALWAYS bad. I get it, you won’t always be able to do what you want, but you know what? You ever see those “no diving” signs at the pool? You ever wonder what would happen if you dove there and hit your head? You’d end up in the hospital, possibly with a concussion or maybe even worse! But grrrr restrictions! How dare they take away my ability to play cancerous metas!
Yea man, people learning that they can ban the metas/heroes that annoy them most? They would totally leave. The players that left after this cancerous meta? Totally wouldn’t come back now that they have a way to deal with the atrocity of a meta they left for.
Sorry for being passive aggressive, but bro. Really? They’re not gonna allow like 6 bans per team. At most it’ll be 1-2. If you happen to one-trick a certain hero that they ban, well, that sucks bro. Shoulda learned other heroes. Or literally just make your profile private. It’s that simple.
Players will be able to make their own metas. Wow, that’s disgusting.
