Diva needed some tuning. Never said she is OP, said she was strong. The changes were for better and since you guys actually love to use fun as an argument, made her more fun and engaging (the rocket addition).
Symmetra is my all time favorite and most played hero. Did she require change? Absolutely. Do I think the rework is a success, definitely not. Symmetra 3.0 is terrible, they made a situational and weak hero even more situational and requiring incredible amount of team work to actually be successful. Her ult and primary are terrible. But she needed a change for sure. Too bad the change is for the worse.
Original hook was broken because it could hook you from behind walls and all kind of impossible angles. I even probably have some video records somewhere on my external hard disc from those days. Roadhog is fine right now, they made some good changes to him.
I personally never had a problem with Scatter and Hanzo for me was actually a weak character in need of help. And they reworked him fine and made him relevant. Does he need a bit of tuning? is storm arrows strong? Probably, and it may require a bit of tuning but it took Hanzo out of the garbage tier and it actually requires some skill to use.
I love Brigitte, her addition is the best thing that happened to the game. Finally a real counter to Tracer. Is the 7s nerf unnecessary? Probably. But I still play her without any issue and I still destroy Tracers and make their life hard. Did they nerf her too much? Maybe, time will tell. But she needed some fine tuning. I don’t necessarily agree with all the nerfs but she needed some tuning for sure.
Oooonto the next person:
Earn by holding M1. I wouldn’t call that earning. Also keeping an eye on ults is multi-tasking of the most basic variety, it isn’t some legendary skill every player above gold does it to some degree.
Playing Mercy isn’t rocket science, knowing that a grav is likely incoming isn’t some long forgotten necromancy skill.
It’s the same thing, you hold M1 until ult is recharged. You wait 30s until ability is recharged. It’s not an extra effort to go out and heal everyone - that’s literally your job, that’s what you are supposed to do
You go on to explain all the different iterations of Mercy. Yeah, I understand Valkyrie was over-tuned, I agree. But the fact that Valkyrie was over-tuned doesn’t mean Mass Rez wasn’t bad. They have since fixed Valkyrie and with the latest nerf have brought Mercy more in line with the other supports.
Yes, and they got it. Did you read the patch notes?
And that’s exactly why you can’t have Mercy have the same output as other healers, she is too easy to use. So with the latest nerfs to her and the latest buffs to the other supports the sides have been evened out. And if they are not, they will nerf Mercy/buff the other supports more. I don’t see what the issue is.
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Brigitte and Moira do a pretty fine job without having the high skill floor like Ana. With the latest buff Lucio is also in a better spot as well.
Oh, which stats exactly my friend? She has the highest pickrate out of all supports consistently for now 11 seasons. The only time that wasn’t the case was for a few seasons and mind you only at the highest possible tier of competitive play (mainly the Pros) which is a super small percentage of the overall OW population. Amazing rhetoric, bravo.
Blizzard do not make the best decisions every time at every turn but I would take their decisions any day over some rabid revert mercy cultist who wants to be able to hold M1, rez everyone and do AoE burst heal on top of that because that’s fun. Fun at the expense of literally anyone else. Yeah, no thank you. Better to choose the devil you know over the devil you don’t. People without any knowledge of development process or balance are only good as theoretical reformers
If you don’t think that’s ridiculously OP, nothing can help you mate. Mass Rez + Burst AoE heal for living allies, get outta here mate. You, Titanium and other Revert Mercy cultists need a reality check, no offense. We seem to not be playing the same game.
That’s not how debate works. If you disagree with something, the burden of proof is on you my friend.
Conveniently ignores the rest of my point and cuts mid-sentence. Nice try my friend but these tactics are super obvious. What’s next, character assassination and calling me a troll or “abusive”? You guys are so predictable.
Was obviously reffering to 1.0 sgiven I didn’t mention Moira. People saying 1.0 was OP and insanely Must Pick I remind people that Mercy was a main healer during a time where that was as mandatory as an anchor tank and her only competition at the time was ana who was riddled with all kinds of problems.
And the stats literally support what I told you - Mercy has always been the most popular to-go choice for support even pre-rework. The only time she wasn’t was for a short period of time and only in the highest tier of competitive play. Pro, GM, which is statistically and empirically an insanely small percentile when we look at 40mil player population at that point of time.
So thank you for proving my point.
I mean yeah, you are literally saying what I’m saying. Mercy 1.0 was the best support and over-tuned compared to all the other supports.
Lucio was considered a must pick until rework and Zen has always had a decent pickrate since his buffs up from 150 HP
So the struggling or. Lack there of can be traced to changes to THEM and Ana was the only other competitor (and Mercy’s only direct competitor)
High skill cap and getting gutted by nerfs and then floundering with the entire A tier being made of her counters.
Is it really a Mercy problem or is it a problem with the other healers?
Do you consider Reinthart OP and did you consider him OP when his pickrate was even higher then Mercy when Oriisa was either not a thing or had only been created recently and was still not a very solid pick?
It would be earning considering you can’t actually hide away in the back and do nothing. Also, why don’t you do a test, see how many out of 10 competitive matches you can win without using anything else but M1 to charge ultimate.
But who am I kidding, Mr DPS main believe he knows best that there isn’t any other aspect of Mercy besides Mouse 1 button.
Not really because if you didn’t heal when Res was a ult, it takes 4 to 5 minues to charge on a passive charge.
Res comes every 30 seconds, so literally I can chill out and do nothing for 30 seconds and res will be ready. If my team was going to be reckless, I don’t have to over extend because I don’t need to earn res to save you DPS anymore.
If you die in a bad position, then it is your fault. Res isn’t some instant res ability and there is no need for me to follow you and keep you alive just so you can look cool and get your play of the game.
So rather than stating Valkyrie is better, please actually go on and debate why Valkyrie is better. You have just made a plain statement with nothing to backup your argument.
Valkyrie is deemed by a number of Mercy’s to be an easy mode of her basic abilities. It isn’t skilful nor is there any aspect of it that makes it majorly impactful. The other supports have ultimate’s on par if not better than Valkyrie.
It’s not enough THEY STILL NEED MORE than what is given to them. Mercy’s contribution to the game is still better than the other supports in a number of areas.
Not really when teams are DEMANDING for Healing a lot more when Mercy isn’t around. Mercy is still better because she is consistent and reliable.
The others are not reliable and if it goes wrong, matches are generally lost. Matches have dropped in quality because supports keep dropping Mercy for insufficient healers to act as a replacement for Mercy.
At the moment, people are only dropping Mercy because of the initial scare, when people realise that they losing way to many games without her, they will rebound back onto Mercy because Mercy is still too strong when compared to other supports.
If you actually cared you would either call for more Buff’s for the other supports or Nerf Mercy even harder because in reality, even with the HPS revert, she still strong. It’s more annoying to heal with 50 HPS but it is still strong enough to carry teams through a fight than any other support in terms of consistency and reliability.
Yeah but if Moira runs out of resource, thats it… still doesn’t change the fact if the team needs a heal slave to just poke at a point/choke, Mercy is still the better choice.
Moira works better if she can mix in aggressive DPS into her play style whilst occasionally healing. Brigitte is only strong due to her melee spam and stun spam.
Actually that is where you are wrong… up until around April 2017, Reinhardt was 1st, Ana was 2nd and Mercy was 3rd.
By the time the 2016 World Cup has ended and everyone was bragging Dive was better and Pro’s call out to Nerf Ana. People began to transition onto Mercy as Rein and Ana lost their dominant 1st and 2nd place position.
Between April to July 2017… Mercy has been dancing around 9% pick rate and dropping back and forth between 1st and 3rd place pick rate.
When the changes went live, Mercy and D.Va cemented themselves into 1st and 2nd Place in the overall Pick Rates.
Up until February 2018, Mercy had risen to 14.8% pick Rate… a whole 5% more than before whilst D.Va was competing in 2nd place with 9% pick rate.
When 3.1 went live, Mercy fell by 7% dropping to around 7~8% pick rate and Moira absorbed those Mercy/Lucio Players into her own Pick Rate to compete between 1st and 3rd place.
Over time, Mercy’s pick rate settled at 8~9% until Brigitte rolled out and then she started to quickly escalate to 10%~11% pick rate and Blizzard REALLY WANTS HER TO DROP HARD!!! Like completely out of the Top 3 choices at the very least.
Therefore if you actually cared, you would know that these Nerf are not enough to put a dent on Mercy, it will only fustrate players, but Mercy still outshines the other support.
Unless the Meta shifts back to a tank heavy death ball… people will flex back onto Mercy as she does better in terms of supporting DPS’s like Tracer and Genji who often causes Ana to miss them.
Oh fyi, I think the Sym changes were a success sarcasm the old one was too easy, you only have to hold m1 and let your beam and turret do the job.
Like her ult is like SUPER HELPFUL, it is the best, way better than that useless Shield Gen and Teleporter that always HIDES AWAY SOMEWHERE.
Oh and the nerf on the turrets, PERFECTION, we non sym players absolutely love destroying them. You are so much more easier to handle now than back then.
The Changes were so needed and WE feel the changes are perfect, like we totally agree with Jeff Kaplan, major thumbs up to him.
The Sym mains don’t know what they are talking about, just listen to us non sym players… you know what, the turrets are still UNFUN to play against, please nerf them more.
You know that shield is too big… please lower its UPTIME and shrink it more.
(You see what I am doing? I am doing a you and I am making a blind statement. Sounds nasty right? Then maybe you should be a bit more considerate to Mercy players because you are in the same boat as us on the Symmetra side of things… oh and good news… your statistical values are balancing out in terms of win rate, she is no longer an abnormality when it comes to choosing her and having a near 60% win rate, dropping her to near 50% so in line with everyone else is Blizzards true goal, nasty isn’t it? Well welcome to the nerfing club.
But in all honesty, yeah Sym sucks, but as tough luck, nothing you can do about it. Your beloved Blizzard trashed her the same way she trashed us. Us non Symmetra like her current state, at least I don’t have to Moira you to death in an attempt to counter you. More characters can kill you and it is a good thing.
I won all 10 of them back in Season 4 by doing nothing but holding M1 and doing mass rez when my team got wiped. That’s all there is to it. Mercy isn’t a complicated character.
I’m not a DPS main Don’t embarrass yourself please. I don’t actually have a main anymore, at this point I can play anyone reliably except Doomfist and Orisa. Please at least look at the person’s profile before making such silly statements next time because it makes you look like a fool.
If you are not healing you are throwing the game. That’s not an argument.
And that would be throwing too. And your team would be dead. And that’s not an argument either.
You shouldn’t over extend period.
Emotionally charged statement, a loooot of projecting. Frustration detected.
Valkyrie is better because it has counter play. Pressing Q in a fraction of a second doesn’t have counter play and it deletes results.
Mercy isn’t very skillful to begin with. If you think Valkyrie isn’t impactful you are in dire need of reality check.
Why? Where’s the evidence?
You just said Valkyrie isn’t impactful. You just contradicted yourself.
Exactly. Hence why the nerfs for her and the boosts for the other supports.
Where’s the evidence for that again?
I would rather adopt a wait and see approach - I don’t actually want Mercy nerfed to the ground contrary to what some people think.
Moira was buffed in that regard. A heal slave? Man you are really running the victim complex here. If you feel like a slave for playing support I think it’s time for you to change the roles mate A lot of frustration detected.
We already discussed statistics, those statistics support my claims.
So a lot of emotionally charged statements you have. I think you should play something other than support mate, might get you out of the victim mentality you seem to have.
Symmetra and Mercy shouldn’t be put in the same boat. Not by a mile. Symmetra is the worst hero in the game for now 11 seasons where Mercy is arguably the strongest and most consistent support for now 11 seasons.
Symmetra was and is situational and niche and countered by 80% of the roster.
Mercy changes were actually needed. Not that Symmetra changes were not but for completely different reasons.
Yeah and I’ve stopped playing Symmetra as a result of that and moved to other heroes. The name of the game is adapting. I’ve personally reached Diamond with symmetra so I’ve already achieved my OW goals - reach Diamond with arguably the worst hero in the game. I could go for Masters as an additional challenge but frankly I don’t have the time anymore to spend on OW competitive.
No because back in season 4 you still had Ana lingering about with the death ball and tank meta running. People were playing closer together and more controlled and less recklessly like Dive.
Considering your statement and favourite character and playing hours, I would argue your Sym is your main with sub choices being Genji, Rein and Pharah. Of course you have a very flex style profile. But again it depends if you are playing to have fun or playing to win.
But if we go by your logic, that Mercy is easy, doesn’t that mean we can stand there and gain res for 30 seconds?
why should I follow people to my death, there is no requirement to heal to gain ult… it’s not like Valkyrie can deny deaths.
Even you have stated I shouldn’t over extend so it is either GA in with the DPS and heal them or… wait and get res and possibly res them? mhm… do I survive and NOT heal and let the idiot die or should i run in with him and heal him… oh such a brain dead easy character like Mercy, I never thought there was such a contradicting dilema, tell me Mr I am a Great Mercy know it all, should we WAIT and DO NOTHING or DIVE IN INTO AN OBVIOUS DEATH?
The thing is, what you are failing to understand, is because Res was a Resource Meter (as a ult) it was an ability that required us to use GA, observational skill and team health management to minimise death by healing and gain ult as soon as possible and then pop it.
Not, oh he going to die and he most likely going to get me killed… best stay back here all safe and cozy and heal this guy in front of me.
Valkyrie is better because it has counter play… ok what about the release version of Res when Mercy died upon casting? is that not a fair price to pay for such a powerful ability? To give the team a second chance in exchange for the main healer dying and that revived team fighting with a lack of healer for their 2nd and final chance?
But beyond being counterable… what exactly is beneficial for Valkyrie that makes it ultimate worthy? What makes it a ultimate that can make a difference?
Because right now, if the 2nd point of Valskya is lost, there is nothing Mercy alone can do if her team has already trickled in and died. She can only hide away and let the overtime run out.
Even if she pops it when her team is on the verge of death, it will not overturn or save them.
No you just need to get good with Mercy to the point where you don’t need Valkyrie to do your healing for you.
Already, if there something I can’t heal in base mode, Valkyrie will do jack all to improve the situation. Yeah I can keep multiple people health up but it isn’t something I can’t already do with GA and good management and observation.
This is the difference between me and you, I relied on my base ability and got good to the point where I can keep my team alive without relying on spamming Res all the time, often to the point where someone has to spawn camp me because I am that annoying or causing a triple team just to keep me dead and out of the game.
Right now, for me personally… Damage boosting is the key thing that I find most useful about Valkyrie. If Team health is low I will top them up but damage boosting would be my main concern as oppose to spamming full HP bars with healing juice.
Because if it was enough people wouldn’t be complaining about Healing in Voice Chat.
The quality of the matches wouldn’t feel like it took a dip because of the absence of Mercy. The opposing team wouldn’t feel OP nor would teams have to fall back onto a WE HAVE TO KILL MERCY strategy to stop them healing.
I had so called Ana players complaining about Barriers, hitting and missing their targets.
People complaining about Moira’s going on the attack because she is out of juice.
Ana and Moira’s arguing over most healing done and isn’t even all that great
Nor do I have to put up with people defending a Zenyatta player who is jokingly trying to main/solo heal because no one else will go support and of course he can’t upkeep fast nor consistent heal rate.
People are also fed up with Lucio.
Brigitte main complaint is in her melee spam and stun more so than her support abilities.
^By that I mean her Base abilities, not her ultimate. You can technically win a game without using Valkyrie. If you are unable to force a Valkyrie out of Mercy and she just stomped you in her base form, then that speaks very highly about your team work at attacking the enemy team.
Yes but it still isn’t enough if that is what we are trying to do. This is a half … nerf that doesn’t really change anything. The only thing that change is that people suddenly feel the need not to play her, but moment they realise Mercy is still better than the other supports, they will flex back onto her because she is a lot more versatile in any given situation/team comp
Because if there was such a massive shift, we would be seeing a massive drop in win rate for teams having a Mercy vs a Team that doesn’t have a Mercy and we would see that despite the current low pick rate, all supports have a better win % than Mercy who is still a dominant pick.
Her Pick Rate isn’t even dropping as fast as it did in February.
Also if the Other supports were truly superior to Mercy is EVERY ASPECT, this argument wouldn’t be happening right now. People would shift from Mercy to Moira, Ana, Zen, Lucio or Brigitte and be happy, knowing they can win without worry or stress or the frustration in the fact that Mercy is still better than them even in a pitiful state.
Then you need to take care with your statements because you are coming off as a ‘I don’t care about Mercy, because she can’t spoil my game’ or a ‘I know Mercy better than all of you, therefore shut up…’ type of jerk
Mercy is still strong but incredibly dull and boring to play, along with being frustrating. If it is anything like February, people will just go back onto her, after their tantrum/Mercy strike is over. Therefore, it is incredibly naive to think this current Nerf is a Success if they are trying to kill her Pick Rates.
At least 1 of the supports need to be Super Buffed to the point they overshadow Mercy, either Moira in the sense she can blitz through the enemy team with large resources for healing.
Or Ana with her insane Burst Healing potential to virtually keep tanks from ever dying and Nano boosting them every 30 to 60 seconds.
A lot of the situation can be fixed if People were more willing to play support and play it good.
Also in terms of the heal slaving bit, I mean stuff like first choke of Hanamura and for 3 engagements, Moira is burning up her resource TRYING to convince her team to break through and all they are doing is hitting a alternating Rein/Orisa barrier whilst slowly trickling up their ult charge.
Whilst hitting I need Healing and Moira having stated for a while now, I am out of juice, I CANNOT HEAL YOU.
and which statistics support which claim
Oh no, your just backing out of a argument because you cannot engage in an argument. You picked the fight so man up and see it through, I’ve been doing this for over a year now and at least I can proactively argue for and against Mercy.
I’m a D.Va/Widow/Mercy main with D.Va arguably being my prime choice and even I can tell that Mercy is in bad shape but she still better than the other supports.
And I play the other supports like Moira and Brigitte as well as formerly played Ana and Lucio with Zen being the one I have the least compatibility with and I identify their strong/weak points.
Oh and ironically, here I am calling for Mercy nerf because if the point you are trying to make is that she is balance, then boy… you are so wrong. Mercy is by far from balance when compared to the other support and honestly 50HPS was her original Heal Rate. Even when she was F Tier we carried games with that kind of healing alone.
Yes we don’t have res as a ult, but still if we are genuine Mercy’s we can make do without it. We’ve won games without using it and as long as we put in effort to go beyond the so called cough brain dead m1 hold. We can manage our team and keep them alive.
Has he given up on Mercy? No. Just hasn’t made a comment during the crap storm that is demanding him do something.
Have the players given up on Blizzard? Apparently not. They continue to say they are or are just completely done, yet they stick around and/or spam the same list of things over and over.
Jeff has never worked on mercy balances, he is the game director, but I’m sure the overwatch team is hard at work to get under balanced heroes up to a playable state.
Yet Symmetra alone is the sole hero with an abnormal win rate of 60% and if successful, a lot of teams are ineffective at fighting against her, once she is fully set up and cancerous.
Right now she has a win rate of around 54~55% which is getting more in line with being average.
Wow Diamond with a Sym sarcastic clapping who hasn’t seen how broken she is at trolling and just how many of us has actually realised how stupid our team mates are for blindly diving in and zapped to death… Not to mention just how little people can do to actually counter her besides Winston and Moira.
As I said, they changed her because they wanted to fix her win rate. Also you are in the same boat as us Mercy’s. The wider community deem her to be balance, so if you have the balls to tell us to suck it up and accept Mercy, you should suck it up and accept what they did to Sym and lol dropping out of competitive because Sym is #NotMySymmetra … yep… well what’s wrong? Can’t one trick your way to GM with your other heroes?
You could M1 your way to GM as Mercy, because you know… Mercy is easy.
Well I’m telling you I won all 10 of them and got to Diamond due to playing Mercy. You can add me if you want and check my season record if you don’t trust my words.
I don’t have a main. I can literally play any hero with efficiency and perform well after 2 years of OW except Orisa and Doomfist.
No, it doesn’t.
You shouldn’t. Nobody is telling you to do so, that’s at least not me. That’s a poor decision.
Survive and not heal, stay with your team every single time This is a no-brainer. It’s better to let the over-extending DPS go and die rather then go with him and die yourself leaving your team without support. This is not a choice you have to make. Or rather it’s a fake choice. The correct choice is always one and the same.
You are still required to do the same things. There isn’t a difference, you still have to survive and heal your team. And even then voila you have Valkyrie.
No, because good Mercies would do it through walls or hide themselves in such ways that it’s literally impossible to counter-play. The Mercy would not be even visible unless you dedicated massive resources to play hide&seek and locate where the Mercy is. No other support had such an issue. And then later it became nigh impossible when she also became invulnerable. There’s no counter-play to a player needing to press a button for an insta deletion of results. I’ve only seen Rez being countered back then one single time because I had a Top 500 widowmaker on my time with lightning fast reactions who managed to headshot her before the player pressing Q. This happened one time in total.
I dunno, everything? It’s literally one of the best ultimates in the game - healing the entire team at the same time or damage-boosting them. And having the ability to make an easier rez, regeneration of Mercy making her hard to kill. I dunno, did you watch any Pro play?
No other character can do something under those conditions. No other support can do something under those conditions. Mercy shouldn’t be an exception.
Well yeah, you shouldn’t be able to out-heal damage from multiple sources.
No offense, but you are mid-gold player. I’m fairly confident I’m better with Mercy than you are - old one or new one. "m fairly confident I’m probably better with any character than you. You shouldn’t try to compare yourself with me without even seeing me play.
Well…yeah. I mean that’s like the most basic thing, you should damage boost when everyone is full HP. I mean this shouldn’t even be mentioned.
People complain all the time, about everything and everyone.
You crazy, there isn’t absence of Mercy. There’s Mercy literally every game for now 11 seasons. To the point everyone is sick of Mercy including even Mercy mains. And Blizz made the right balance decision - nerf Mercy, buff everyone else.
Yes, because you are mid-gold player. The Anas in your tier are probably not very good. If they were, they wouldn’t be there. Same with Moira, a good Moira almost never runs out of her resource. With 20 metres range that’s pretty hard, especially after the buff.
I mean most of your comments are issues with your tier, people in mid gold are generally people with poor game sense, situational awareness and composition knowledge. Their mechanical skills are also not that great.
This never happens in a normal game or you are playing Mercy wrong. And if it did, it’s due to your low elo. I’ve never had a game with Mercy where I didn’t need to use Valkyrie.
Where’s the evidence for that?
We are already seeing a pick drop and win drop.
That’s not the goal. The point is not to make Mercy unusable but to make her balanced.
That’s your own projection of me mate, and honestly I couldn’t care what people think of me. I talk facts, analysis, statistics. Emotions, projections have nothing to do with balance nor personal opinions of someone you will never meet.
She isn’t for me. If she is for you, it’s time to play something else mate.
That’s an issue of your elo and/or bad tanks. It has nothing to do with the conversation.
I’m not backing out of anything. You are just using anecdotal arguments, some flat out wrong statements and you have a victim mentality and tendency to project hardcore.
Because you had mass rez. Mercy has never ever been F tier. That’s flat out wrong. What you should have wrote is Symmetra.
You are either playing Mercy wrong, or in your elo your opponents are very bad.
PS. And don’t tell me next how I’m some elo elitist or that I’m oppressing you because of your elo or that elo doesn’t matter when discussing balance. We shouldn’t be balancing the game for the bottom percentile of players, that’s bad balancing. Cause according to gold and below, Symmetra was OP.
Symmetra had a winrate of 60% and above because she was only ever used in certain situations where she excelled and she was played by a very very small percent of the playerbase, we are talking virtually a nano fraction of the playerbase.
80% of the roster hard countered old Symmetra man, you are delusional.
Yes, because they managed to make a niche and situational hero require even more teamwork to the point that pretty much nobody plays her anymore since even Sym mains are stopping at this point. Her kit is abysmal.
Hahahahaha, Symmetra and broken. Okay, mate I’m done. You’ve crossed the threshold of reality.
Are you crazy? They changed her because she was deemed absolutely useless. 0% pickrate in OWL, absolute 0%. Never used. F tier since 11 seasons. Don’t even put Symmetra and Mercy in the same boat. The wider community deemed her to be balanced, you are delusional.
I’m outta here mate. My advice - get out of gold first before talking about balance. Play something else and fix your victim mentality. It’s probably the reason why you are in Gold in the first place. Also do a bit of research and learn about heroes and compositions because you are a bit out of touch with reality. Good luck.
The fact there’s been no real announcement or developer update video, that I’m aware of, for this event this time isn’t a positive sign to say the least. There’s also been very little communication lately.
In which case you need to stop suggesting/agreeing to Statements like Mercy always hide or Mercy always M1 and there is no other stuff to consider because this comment right here suggest there is more to Mercy that just a M1 spam.
There are other stuff to consider and much more to her play style than brain dead healing that you were so called suggesting.
Not really because doing it through a wall means you aren’t actively trying to get everyone into range and even if you do manage to get everyone into range, it still doesn’t change the fact that those guys were revived without a heal present and by time she gets back onto the field, someone is near dead or is already dead again.
Therefore, Res through walls isn’t a reliable strategy.
Also in regards to Hide and Seek, Zen is generally hiding in the back line throwing orbs and picking people off.
Ana is in the back lines and spamming shots into her team mates back. Mercy isn’t the only one who stays in a rear position, but unlike those two, she has Guardian Angel.
However, unlike those two, she doesn’t have abilities to safely protect herself in a one on one. Zen can burst someone down and Ana can sleep dart.
Also when Res is cast, it is down to the DPS and Tank to make sure the exposed Mercy died. I hate it when Mercy undoes my Self Destruct, but do you know what I realised? A lot of the time, even if we fail to kill Mercy before hand, a lot of us tend to tunnel vision on her victim and feed Mercy her subsequent charges for more Res ult.
Right… and Zen’s ult can heal better than Mercy’s and he can burst people down and assist with offensive kills through discord.
Lucio’s Sound Barrier can stagger a fight on par if not better than Mercy
Moira’s ult can burn through Mercy’s Regen and kill her or her healed targets and trickle down their HP.
Ana can anti-Heal the group and sleep dart Mercy out of the air and she can nano a Rein to tear through people.
Oh and Pro Play? Really… right did you know that OWL players have just slight higher % of win rates when they don’t use Valkyrie? It isn’t much of a difference but most of them agree there is no need to valkyrie.
Also with Resurrect, they state they don’t bother with the team, instead they prioritise themselves, playing as selfishly as possible and will basically only res if it is absolutely safe.
Also in terms of Res as a Ult, it generally occurs mid way or towards an end of an engagement right… Skill Res can occur any time and it is a skill offered at the start.
Pro’s find this FAR MORE ANNOYING than the res ult. They hate the skill version more and feels it cannot be balanced without utterly rendering it useless.
So don’t use Pro’s as an excuse when they themselves agree that she is not balanced.
Time to bring in that rankcism, looking down on someone because you are of a higher rank (clap) ladies and Gentleman, the arrogance of a high ranking member of the community, believing himself to be the know it all because he is of a higher rank.
Yet he is so hypocritical to defend his precious Symmetra after she got the Nerfing baton. For someone so fixate on Figures over how it feels to play a character, I am surprised you that you don’t just accept that Sym is balance.
Her win rate is now in line with the other heroes. Other heroes can now counter her.
Who cares what you think and feel (the sensation you are giving off to us Mercy’s), as you so put it. Blizzard calls the shots, why not blindly agree that Sym is balance, your blindly accepting that Mercy is balance.
Do you know why you are defending Symmetra? It is because you have a subjective opinion and you willing to argue in her defence and guess what I am doing, I doing the very same.
Yet you rather only state statements rather than argue on Mercy’s Pro’s and Con and just go SHE’S BALANCE!!! MERCY IS PERFECT SHE BALANCE!!! NO NEED TO BUFF, NO NEED TO NERF SHE FIX SHE BALANCE, DON’T WANT TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLES COMMENTS LALALALALALALA (that is what you sound like, right now)
It is a senseless argument but again, it is because Mercy is worth debating.
The current nerfs are not enough to curb stomp her Heal rate to drop her below 7~9% pick rate, if you truly support enhancing the other supports, you should be able to understand this fact and would want either
A) A New Stronger Support to rival/Replace Mercy
B) Buff the Other supports to completely overshadow Mercy
C) Hard Nerf Mercy even further so she guaranteed to drop out of the Top 3 Pick Rates.
Yet people don’t do this often, I actually have to demand it and Mercy still won’t boost us.
They need to nerf/buff them harder, it still isn’t enough to separate the boundary between Mercy and the other healers.
Oh, Mr Diamond forgot that 86% of the rest of the community exist below Diamond.
Just because you play with 10% of the community and most likely the same lot… doesn’t mean the res of us don’t exist.
The irony is, I get that in the upper tiers, things are played differently. I’ve been in other tiers before and the play style can be worlds apart.
Yet you are behaving in the sense that because you are an elite, your judgement takes priority over the entire community, disregarding whether they are having fun or not, so long as you can have a clean game with no res/Mercy.
OWL players have done it, I’ve done it and other people have down it.
It is a testament of skill and a display of difference in team skill gap. If the opposing team cannot force Mercy to use Resurrect Ult or Valkyrie, then it proves that the opposing side is bad especially if current Mercy can manage her entire team without it.
It means her Healing is too strong or the opposing team is bad.
OWL Stats shows that there is a minor/higher win rate when Mercy didn’t use Valkyrie. This was discussed towards the start of the year when someone posted a reddit post. The stats weren’t majorly far apart but there is stats proving that Valk is a generally bad ult for winning games.
Possibly due to two reasons.
Valkyrie is used because the Mercy just felt the need to use it to OP her team rather than put in extra effort
Valkyrie is used as a Desperate attempt to salvage the situation but is unable to provide the need boost to win the point.
It’s still higher than 1.0 and the drop rate isn’t as fast as it was when 3.1 rolled out at the start of the year.
Yet you would rather make statements than come back at me with a debate using your so called facts and figures to win an argument and back up your so called claims that Mercy is balanced.
It does when you are ignorant to the rest of the player base around you.
Yet you aren’t arguing back with so called facts and figures to debunk my claims. You really aren’t convincing people that Mercy is better than than she was before or in the past. You only care about yourself and not how everyone else feels.
Mercy was F Tier in the Pro League, she was a popular Pick in the casual competitive. Everyone never really cared about Mercy because she never appeared in Pro League Play, it wasn’t until Jeff’s statement that she hide and res and the changes made to her, that made her an elevated choice of support to play.
Before, she was a underrated support deemed F Tier but was still a popular choice. Because if she never was F Tier, Mercy would have been a prime choice for the World Cup’s and the Pro League Tournaments prior to rework yet people didn’t play her.
And in return we should balance the game base on the 14% of the community? I’m sorry but a game should be balance by taking EVERYONE’s Opinion into account and then a general agreement is made on a common issue and then that is the thing that is adjusted to make things better.
For both Mercy and the players who don’t play her or Play against her.
Same with Symmetra people complained because she was unfun to play against. You’re on the same end of the stick as us Mercy players.
If that’s the case then Lower ELO’s wouldn’t be so stupid as to feed her charge. She can literally solo wipe half the team if left unchecked. Just because you are in a higher ELO, doesn’t mean the Gold DPS players are going to play the same.
Unfortunately I as the support have to abandon healing these idiots to deal with her myself and yeah… Smurfers don’t help when they do that Bronze to Diamond challenge by artificially dropping their MMR to derank and then troll the lower ELO’s with Sym as they climb back up the ranks.
Coming from the guy who spent nearly 100 hours on her and even had the audacity to tell us Mercy’s to relearn and adapt to our characters.
You could do the same, I mean Sym is far from perfect but there is an interesting learning curve that sets her apart from old Sym. Plus for being so abysmal, I’m surprise that there isn’t 11, 10,000 comment Megathreads yet.
Just because you haven’t seen/played in a situation where team mates jump in blindly unable to handle her, doesn’t mean the issue doesn’t exist.
Same as the fact that Battle Mercy’s exist and the fact that Mercy’s who don’t hide or clutched onto Res ult and didn’t use it exist.
There are other players out there you know, not just you fantasy everything is perfect bubble.
Mercy was never picked before until last year where she was changed, therefore she was League F Tier as well.
Symmetra is F Tier in the Casual Competitive and League Competitive.
Both Sym and Mercy were in the same boat in terms of Pro League choices of heroes.
Also because the wider community consider Symmetra to be fix, means that we don’t have to listen to a Sym player like you.
Also who here has a degree in Games Design and Development, oh look me… just because I ain’t an elite who spends every hour wasting away at a game to get top tier and brag about it without getting a stable income, doesn’t mean I have no idea what I am talking about.
When it comes to balance, the Pro’s and Con’s of a Hero needs to be considered, you aren’t considering what is good or bad about the hero, therefore you are getting into pointless arguments and can only protect your fragile ego.
Mercy still has room for improvements, as does all the other supports. Composition and Meta changes all the time, you cannot be fixated on the current trend when Blizzard themselves wants that trend to be constantly shifting.
Mercy’s rework could have been done differently that satisfied both parties and it could have adverted this disaster.
Same with Symmetra and any other heroes.
If Mercy was fix, there would have been so many reworks in the past year as well as 11 megathreads and senseless arguments with people like you who is bias only to themselves.
So far we have had 6 iterations of Mercy and all of them have failed knock her out of the top 3 Pick Rates. This is considered bad, because it shows Blizzard aren’t entirely sure where they are going with Mercy
I wouldn’t call that earning. Also keeping an eye on ults is multi-tasking of the most basic variety, it isn’t some legendary skill every player above gold does it to some degree.
I mean that’s like the most basic thing, you should damage boost when everyone is full HP. I mean this shouldn’t even be mentioned.