so you want grav to be useless? its meant to lock heros down to one area, working as intended. zarya was useless before the buff, and barely usable after, don’t be dumb and cluster up near a zarya and you wont get graved.
nothing needs to give, every meta has its annoyances, you guys wanted dive gone, well welcome to gravstrike meta. making either of them weaker would make whichever hero was nerfed unusable.
Yeah team work is too strong.
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An alternative to nerfing grav is to buff sound barrier, which was used as a counter for grav in the early days before power creeps started. (Maybe reduce the decay rate and increase the amount of barrier provided.)
You just proved the exact opposite of what you intended. A meta implies one composition/strategy is dominating the others, making doing anything else hurting your chances of winning. Obviously not good balance and not something you want to leave in place forever.
The answer doesn’t have to be nerfing either hero. It can simply be making other strategies better, or offering more counter opportunities. I think one of the biggest problems is the combo offers extremely little counter play compared to most things in the game that can so easily result in a team kill or extremely lopsided battle afterwards.
They need to make it so Sombra and Tracer can escape Graviton again.
Ask sombra that, at least there’s some counter play to emp and it doesn’t effect certain characters much, sombra’s ult is the best thing about her but at least her utimate is balanced, with graviton your just waiting to die, they could always give her faster ult charge if thay changed it back.
Tracer should be able to recall out of it.
Sombra should be able to translocate out IF she already has her translocator thrown out somewhere. She shouldn’t be able to throw it while in grav.
But Hanzo’s ult is really mediocre… nerfing would be super unnecessary. The issue is absolutely on Zarya’s end. It’s not even like Hanzo is the only hero that can combo easily and nearly unstoppably with gravitron.
The truth is that things should have more counterplay than “you’re dead in a huge radius around this instantly firing projectile unless this one specific hero uses their ultimate to save you, and even then you’re probably dead if you’re not a tank”.
Agreed, Zarya’s ult is only an issue because Hanzo got the insane buff and dive fell off the face of the earth.
Zarya isn’t good against dive at all, as soon as dive becomes more viable, she will drop in winrate and pickrate because her compositional counter will be more common.
False dilemma.
Grav+Dragon, in and of itself, isn’t any stronger now than it was since Grav got its most recent buff. Why is it so oppressive now? Because Hanzo+Zarya was super weak against dive. It was the Hanzo buffs + Brigitte that made dive a suicidal endeavor. Previously, the risk inherent of running Zarya+Hanzo is that poking for ults wasn’t practical because Genji/Tracer/Winston/D.Va would run your team ragged, since dive simultaneously countered Zarya and Hanzo. Running Hanzo was also super-risky if the enemy team had a competent Pharah since it made it even more important to have a Pharah counter (e.g. D.Va or Hitscan) likely leaving you with Zarya+D.Va, a less than optimal tank combo, or Hanzo+Hitscan, which isn’t that great against dive.
Want this “poke for grav+dragons” game to go away and for double snipers to go away, Hanzo needs to be tuned down and dive needs to be able to perform better against the heroes it’s supposed to counter.
Hanzos ult isn’t supposed to be very powerful because his ability to murder everything with his primary fire is potentially insane.
I’m totally happy for Zarya and Hanzo to be meta though. They dont deserve to be forced out by dive.
Gravitron should be able to be meta AND to have counterplay.
Simple make it so Dragon can’t be damage boosted. Every other combo is a lot harder to pull off successfully.
There is another option: play the high ground.
Graviton Surge is like communism, once you are in it, it is too strong to resist. You become one with the communism
But it’s not hard to do other combos. One hero having an ultimate that’ll sometimes save you from it just isn’t enough to warrant such an easy teamwipe.
You can save yourself from nearly every other ultimate with a bit of mobility or a bit of barrier or a bit of damage, but not gravitron.
Most other ults can be stooped by shields, cc, or being shot.
Yeah, why not gravitron? Why can Rein’s ult be stopped by barriers, be reasonably avoided by mobility and be stunned out of, but with Zarya people are cool with “hey this one hero will maybe save you if he spends his ultimate and youre a tank, otherwise you’re going to die with very little effort”.
Why does everyone think she is overpowered? It’s not like her ult can solo anything but people with very low health. I’m no Zaria specialist but her ultimate seems lackluster aside from the fact it in essence roots people to the location. It’s up to whether your team can counter what comes next. So many ultimates can kill people why not lower their damage then? Cuz nerfing her ultimate is like taking away others ultimate damage.
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