From a GM perspective Orisa is statistically overpowered No Orisa no win

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Going for pickrate and winrate. Reinhardt never had that sort of winrate with that absurd pickrate. The closest hero to this was Mercy 2.0 and even then her winrate was slightly lower.

I repeat, Rein never ever had a 57-58 percent winrate combined with an absurd pickrate. We have a fallacy that main tanks are weak, but simply being main tanks will never be equal. They decide metas and decide the gameplay. You cannot run Rein in a dive meta.

Remember, Ana was deemed poor when she first got released and received buff aftee buff. Then we nerfed her. It is the same with insect Orisa.

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From a logical perspective GMs need to stop picking snipers and flanker and expecting the same results they been getting for seasons now.

There are burrier busters in game, their are character that make advancing on the bunker that much easier.

But no they’re all sitting in the sub 1% pick rate area because you rather keep trying tried tested methods untill a pro team shows you otherwise

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Hitscans are must-picks too. That needs to be acknowledged as well.
Not to mention most Orisa vs Orisa battles are won strictly through double sniper – Hanzo lelarrows shield down, Widow instakills something. The two strongest DPS in the game, and they also synergize well together, and they counter the best tank. Disgusting.

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Orisa has hard cc :slight_smile: and enforces a bunker double sniper.

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As a GM myself the meta is always Orisa & Roadhog + Hanzo & Widow + Ana & Zenyatta/Mercy.

Run it on all maps. Bunker double sniper, maybe they should nerf Hanzo who is the top Dps since his rework who create a new meta or maybe they should also nerf Widowmaker because of her dominating all the roster.

Anyway, this boring meta is again make me want to stop play this game.
Poor tank main shooting at a shield like a bot, and the double sniper that can’t stop killing anyone who is not behind that shield. With always that ridiculous halt+hook combo.

That’s so stupid. I hated the Hanzo meta and Goat, but at least I could move without getting destroyed. Now it’s just not even fun.

I wouldn’t say it’s worst than Goat but they maybe should nerf the double sniper and buff the off-meta Dps that should counter Orisa-Roadhog.

Like maybe rework again Hanzo storm arrow and reduce the x2.5 on Widow’s headshot. With that, buff Bastion and Junkrat that are still the worst heroes in the game.

I don’t even know what the devs are doing, their game is just a hard mess of nerf and buff. Who’s in charge of balance ? Did they listen to some of the pros they have in OWL ? Do they listen the stats at least ? Do they listen us ?

That’s not that difficult to change a meta into another, but maybe they could at least listen to some of the pros they have in the OWL for balancing their game properly.

Right now the game is not worth playing except if you’re an Orisa one trick or you like double sniper. Anyway, I find this pretty fun that the game have 30 heroes and only 6 who’re viable.

The game always tell you to main what you want, and then when you hit a certain high rank playing what you’re good at, a new meta that hardcounter you appear, it’s just so funny.

And you think this game requiert skill/gamesense/teamwork ? Nah, this game requiert you to go in the spawn for pressing H to hardcounter someone.

Don’t forget about ultimate management, things, that let you win almost any fight if the enemy team don’t have the ultimate for counter you !

That’s so fun to don’t have any counter against EMP nanoblade when you know it’s gonna happen. In gm it’s like, they have EMP and nanoblade we will all die.

And then we all die, like for real, with no option of counter-play because our Zenyatta choosed to play Lucio.

I don’t even blame the Lucio, I mean he is a Lucio main, he like Lucio, he is good at Lucio, but nope. He got hardcounter, he can’t do anything about it.

That’s what is wrong with the core of this game.

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Have we not been over this? Barrier tanks are going to be in 99.99% of compositions and Reinhardt is considered a throw pick right now. Don’t want Orisa in every game? Buff Reinhardt so he’s actually worth playing.

People seem to forget this.

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I mean a Bastion OTP crying for Bastion buffs and nerfs to specific heroes he does badly against, Hmm ?

Well that aside, the game has probably never been in a position, where characters and skill were better balanced than currently. Is there still issues present ? Yes, Hog and Orisa being able to force so much preassure no matter the rest of their team comp is a little too good. But almost every “Good/OP” hero currently is only the very insanely skilled ones. Nobody picks up the best heroes currently and get entry into GM, unlike previously. But there are still issues ofc, just that we are finally seeing some more DPS picks being viable and good in pro play and, who knows, in the future 2x2x2 and role ladder is coming.

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It’s always crazy how all these high level players are exclaiming how OP she is when she’s barely had any major changes to her over the course of her release. No foresight.

Don’t tell me to swap off Widow,
Coolbreeze

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There are 4 main tanks. Gut her or create others.

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Think is, better players absolutely do have this forefight and figure this stuff out way in advance. Which is something that most can’t, or don’t, do.
So, say, 1,000 people, knew this was coming, and start abusing Widow and such. Then 50,000 people realize how gud x strat is and copy it. As it sees consistent success, it infects entire ranks.

And until the masses are infected, they laugh at the minority: Widow isn’t OP! Just counter Hanzo with x! Quit trolling! Git gud even though you’re 4400! You’re just boosted! Haha Winston is totally a counter!

 and then it begins: Those small group of people, despite all the haters, prove that they were right the entire time with consistent success. And thus, a new meta is born.

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Not running snipers is basically asking the enemy team to run an uncontested Widowmaker, which is maximum frustration; they control basically all space on the map that is not directly behind cover, you need defensive cooldowns to cross even a few meters in the open, healers can’t heal headshots, and sometimes your tank just drops dead.

And I don’t know what you’re talking about with Flankers. The role is effectively extinct; Genji and Sombra are ultimate bots, and Tracer having a bad ultimate is why she’s essentially useless.

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Meta does not equal Overpowered, we see this during every Meta. I’m tired of heroes being nerfed, the overall power level of this game needs to increase, not vice-versa.

Don’t tell me to swap off Widow,
Coolbreeze

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Can’t agree more. I’ve run into about 3 people who have gone from high diamond to GM by one tricking Orisa. Reminds me of the old Brig and Mercy.

Victories feel so cheesy right now. Most of my games are: one team is bunker, the other is 4 dps. Bunker hook combos all game, and the 4 dps farm EMP nanoblade all game. I hate the ult spam, but I also hate that you NEED ult spam to win.

I like the idea of everyone being able to freely choose what they want to play, but I’m now in support of role lock. Blizzard has shown that they really can’t balance the game properly. I don’t blame them. There are a lot of factors that come with every change, and it’s impossible to make every change satisfactory on every skill level from Bronze to OWL. With role lock, I think they’ll be able to balance the game correctly

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That is true, it doesn’t quite mean that it is OP. Despite what anyone says, the true meaning of a meta in every game is, ‘things that have the least counterplay available’.
Metas aren’t quite about abusing OP characters. They’re about completely undermining skill.

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Like Orisa hog. Extremely easy compared to Winston Dva and Rein Zarya

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Yes, the most optimal composition with the fewest counters possible. This strategy is obviously favorable in many maps, and due to the popularity in Bunker, Bastion’s starting to look really good in all ranks save for the highest tiers.
There are so many things to address though that balancing this out isn’t easy. Playing a non optimal Bunker (with like Reinhardt or something) will only lead you to getting stunned, punched, frozen, etc. the whole match. Dive doesn’t have the burst damage required to take out many dive heroes save for Doomfist. What we’re left with is lots of heroes in need of having their power level increased to keep up with the immense healing/damage the game now has to offer, Winston immediately comes to mind.

Don’t tell me to swap off Widow,
Coolbreeze

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Well it is the sleeper effect, people only do what others do, no one played orisa (Outside the maps, where she already dominated) and many other characters was nerfed. It isn®t like bunker is new, neither is Orisa/hog, just that people change at a whim, cause they are unaware of how insane some strats are, same for GOATS, completely unknown comp, until “GOATS” showcased it to the world.

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I wish people would be more open to variety in their matches, especially mid rank like Platinum and low Diamond, where anything is possible. There could be new and amazing strats out there that we’ve yet to discover.

Don’t tell me to swap off Widow,
Coolbreeze

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I mean comp does not matter in plat. In gm we play meta and good heroes as we are actually good at the game

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I have to disagree to an extent there, compositions in GM - T500 are just as “wacky” looking as mid rank comps, the difference is, of course, that all people selected heroes that they excel at, rather than just go 4th DPS because we have 3 or some non-sensical reasoning.
I’m not saying meta isn’t run in highest tiers, but let’s not be dense and one sided and say that either is fact. It’s yes and no.

(Source: I watch a lot of streamers and have friends that have made it to Masters - GM on PC. Thus, I am speaking vicariously.)

Don’t tell me to swap off Widow,
Coolbreeze