I thought I had made my peace with the rework, but recently those negative feelings and thoughts I used to have about it started rattling around in my head again and now I’m sufficiently annoyed about the whole thing yet again. Why Blizzard? Why did you so cruelly butcher my robo boi? He was my favorite hero, and you completely ruined him for no good reason. The only times he’s been any fun since the “sequel” released has been in the April Fool’s modes, and the OW classic modes. Screw Bastion’s awful rework, screw all the awful reworks for the other heroes also, and screw the half-ed attempt at undoing their damage with Bastion’s perks.
I’m sorry for just ranting and not saying anything constructive, and I know I’m basically just shouting into the void here, but… I just miss the real Bastion so much, man ;-;
You never truly do. I still remember the good times when I loved playing Hog, for instance. The only problem is that whenever you get the urge to run all the way home, you remember why you were so sad to begin with. He will never be the same because bad players who still get wrecked by him cried a putrid river of decadence.
No cooldown on switching between recon- and sentry mode.
One-shotting squishies with direct hits from the tank ultimate.
Rocket jumping with the ultimate to catch enemies off guard, or to reposition to areas you normally couldn’t reach as Bastion.
Little optimizations/strategies, like weaving self-repair in-between each tank shot during your ultimate, popping out of sentry mode when you ran out of ammo to keep shooting in recon mode to avoid the long reload time, etc.
And the whole point of Bastion in general; completely exchanging mobility in sentry mode for very high sustain damage. Finding ways to work around the weakness of being completely immobile in his strongest form is what made him so fun to get better at, and they just completely got rid of that with the rework, along with all the other things I mentioned. And to top it off, they replaced his fun and skill expressive tank ultimate with the absolute worst and most boring to use ultimate imaginable.
Bastion’s MAIN weakness is the GIANTIC hitbox. It is bigger or same size as most of tanks. And I think only Mauga and Nemesis Rammatra larger than Bastion. DPS who need healing from team as a real tank? I think it is bad. Self-repair really helped for OW1 Bastion handling with it. I think OW1 Bastion had low effectiveness not the survivability issue as in OW2. Cause in days of OW1 Bastion still had a huge spreads in recon and turret while other heroes weapons became accuracy. Also remained slow while other heroes became more mobile, I mean that reconfiguring (recon, turret, tank, all forms) time was too long and can’t move and rotate camera while reconfiguring.
Bastion now in B-C tiers, huge improvement for the hero who usually was in F tier. Only perks did it. But in other hand, hero who critically depends on perks, is that good hero? Without these Bastion again will fall down to F tier.
Honestly I like Orisa’s rework, the Pharah’s one also. But Bastion’s depth rework was a mistake. Only thing that Bastion was need – current moveable turret. Self-repair really important part of Bastion. I think devs should bring back repair and put grenade to perk.
And playing as Bastion without self-heal is so boring for me. Let me explain. When I have the repair I know that I can play more agressive and quickly heal myself. I can do some risky things and retread like other DPSes if it is failed. Without it need play more passive, cause you just haven’t safe ability, you need pray that supports will pay attention. Should play without risks most of times, and I think that is boring. All that you do is shooting, self-repair at least makes your gameplay a little more various.
Also this is sad, the repair perk usually becomes available at the end of the match. And about self-repair perk. Comparing with classic Bastion’s repair, I think that perk repair is less effective due to S9 changes
Classic repair and perk repair heals ~300 hp with resources. BUT, 300 is the full health for classic Bastion, and 86% of health for the OW2 Bastion. Okay it is not big deal. BUT under DPS passive (that Bastion receives 99% of time) healing with full resources turns to 223 hp or 64% of its health. I think that is too much. Yeah I know that DPS passive hits also soldier’s self-heal and other heroes also. But things like healing station, cryo even not so important as self-repair for Bastion. So, I think, Bastion need to get 4 seconds healing with full resources instead of current 3.3 seconds
And about ult. The WORST ultimate in the game. Without armored artillery is just trash. Can we get tank configuration back, please?
Bastion is one of those heroes I really like the design of, but I always find lacking when I play them.
Turret mode is a bit of a dopamine rush, but Recon mode feels absolutely miserable. I suppose that’s the point, but it really feels like I just don’t exist in a team fight unless my cooldown is up, and I’m just a tank shred bot. Even still, I feel like every time I try to make a play with turret mode, I somehow deal half the damage of any enemy Bastion & simultaneously get bursted down by the enemy team instantly - though that part is probably a L2P issue.
Artillery also just feels hollow as others have said, unless I pair it with a Grav or Shatter or something.
There’s also the fact that until a few months ago (I’m pretty sure), Bastion’s grenade was just a nondescript glowing ball. It’s not really a gameplay bother, but the grenade has always felt lazily slapped onto Bastion’s kit, and looking ike a Workshop custom ability for the longest time didn’t help in that regard. No hate to Workshop creators, of course.
Yeah biggest weakness is his size. Simply ~10% size decrease would help a lot. He wonnt be op due slow noisy walk or unable to do tremendous dmg at once like lets say Hanzo or McCassidy even he decides to flank or take off angle.
Oh and self repair behind Perk is very good, because he cannt catch enemy team straight off guard by off-angle first fight.
Solution is there. Just implement
1 more edit: I see plenty of you says his Ult is bad. I agree, want add only a funny moment:
I was on Ana, our Bastion started his ult. Enemy Genji received Nano from their Ana and Bladed towards me and Bastion and I slept him it was so funny watching a glowing Genji sleeping with my Pillow spray under his head and 3 Bastion’s circle arround him
I suggested put grenade to perk and return repair as usual kit. It can’t be able flank quickly and unpredictablely without grenade I guess. And you also already said that Bastion never would be good on flanking thanks to noisy walking and etc.
Every trash thing would be good on hard stanned enemy. That’s doesn’t show that artillery a bit good. Artillery became a little better with armored perk, but still worst ultimate
With new shields gain it’s at least useful if enemy Genji decides to pull out his shank, you can just gain shileds and ult yourself. It’s funny and it works, kinda.
Before they added ultimate perk, I’d agree with you.
You can thank all the “casual players” whose demands ruined so many heroes because “it’s not fun”. It’s always that group that’s always referenced in any conversation about heroes like Bastion.
I very much disagree with that. I think it’s the competitive crowd that makes demands of the devs to completely change certain heroes, and the game in general, to suit their desires. Though it isn’t “their fault” either that heroes got ruined because of reworks, ultimately it’s Blizzard’s fault, and no one else’s imo.
ed attempt at undoing their damage with Bastion’s perks.
