It was less than a week ago that I was ranting and complaining about how much I disliked Bastion’s OW2 rework and how much I missed the old “real Bastion”. And now with another OW Classic-mode they’ve brought my robo boi back yet again, and I am so freaking happy, you’ve no idea.
Now yes, it is only a temporary mode, and unless they plan to do re-runs of the classic modes then he likely won’t ever be back again after this, but I don’t want to let that bring me down right now. I’m just so happy that I get to play my favorite hero again.
I missed you so much Bastion, welcome back.
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Overwatch Classic ruined my love for Reinhardt by showing me what once was. What he could still be if they cared. I am never making that mistake again.
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Glad you’re feeling better again. DPS Doom looks intriguing personally, having never played him.
While it will be fun to play classic Widow, I know I shouldn’t get too comfortable.
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I don’t really see why anyone would dislike new Bastion. Like less maybe, but it’s still basically the same character just better
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Because he’s not fun.
I very strongly disagree with that. Not necessarily the “better” part, I never cared about Bastion’s balancing or his place in the meta. Maybe he is “better” now, but I honestly could not care less. After the rework, he was no longer the hero I fell in love with. His recon gun was butchered by lowering its firing rate, making it feel terrible to use. His self-repair was removed, and replaced with the stupid grenade they couldn’t even be bothered to make a proper model for. His sentry mode was butchered, and renamed to assault mode, and it completely defeated the whole point of Bastion as a character; being an immobile powerhouse. And to top off the already stinking pile of 
that was his rework, his tank mode was also removed, and replaced with the single most boring ultimate in the whole game, and it was so bad at launch that even when abusing a bug that let you spam infinite artillery strikes, it still barely ever killed anyone.
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Hard agree, bastion used to be my favorite DPS, I barely play him anymore.
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You don’t find stompy rein the be slow and unresponsive?
I remember that rein and I personally don’t miss him
There’s some good with classic but I don’t find rein to be one of them 
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Glad you’re having fun, I played him for a few games today as well and enjoyed him too
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He’s absolutely better, that part is not debatable
And recon gun was butchered because it’s slower? Doesn’t it do more damage? Honestly, that’s just whining
Sentry mode also still does very high damage. It’s purpose is not defeated, it’s not completely immobile but it’s still slow.
Sure, I’ll take your word for it. As I said though, I don’t care whether he’s viable or not, I only care whether he’s fun to play or not, and after the rework, he was not fun to play imo.
I’m not sure how the actual damage per second value was effected with the rework. They removed the spread completely, increased the damage per shot from 20 to 25, lowered the fire rate from 8 to 5 shots per second and lowered his ammo from 35 to 25, all of which resulted in the gun feeling much worse to use than before. Maybe it deals more damage overall now, but again, I don’t care if it’s better stats-wise, it doesn’t feel good anymore.
Adding any mobility to sentry mode, no matter how slow, defeats the whole purpose of Bastion as a hero and what made him so fun to play in the first place. Especially when combined with adding a cooldown to the ability, and only being allowed to use it for 6 seconds each time.
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OW2 bastion needs these changes:
- Remove cooldown from assault mode. If he cant have mobility, revert damage nerf.
- Remove grenade. Too easy to use and strong, has annoying randomness, annoying enemy knockback, and way too spammable for how awful it is to play againts. Mobility is good, just dont give it to him in an awful way like this.
- Revert SMG changes. It just feels bad to use.
- Revert ultimate. Artillery is boring and too situational. Sometimes has zero counterplay for zero skill.
- Give him his self heal back.
In other words… Revert bastion rework. Stop fooling around with dumb perks.
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His ult is worse in ow2, and he’s easier to play.
It used to be a fun challenge to work around his weakness of being stationary. Find new corners to hide in all the time.
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Definitely easier, but that’s good really because like Sombra, Bastion was really bad in the hands of most players. His design was too limiting.
But that’s what made him fun.
You had to actually learn and think to not be killed all the time.
A character has to have some challenge to get the most out of to be fun.
With the new bastion, you just walk along with your team and get value with pressing any button.
With the old bastion, turret mode was dangerous to use out in the open. You had to be clever about it with good positioning to not get killed mid transformation.
But in return for this weakness, his ult was actually dangerous and useful.
It could zone better than the one we have now, because it could actually kill things.
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You still gotta do that stuff, Bastion is still a huge target and the turret is still slow
He doesn’t have self heal(at least by default) anymore, and his faster mobility requires self damage(again, at least by default). His gun hurting less contributes to the danger too of course.
Bastion isn’t a cakewalk character now, he’s just easier to do well with since he’s actually a decent character power wise
In comparison, bastion is easier to get value from now.
You can just walk along with everyone and press a button.
If you did that with old bastion, you’d get much less value. Which made his skill floor a bit higher.
A character having to balance around weaknesses makes them fun to play and get better at.
You had to be more careful with positioning, because you couldn’t just back off while minigunning the enemy at the same time. And you didn t have a sticky grenade to knock them back with either.
You either had to move away early, or keep shooting and pray. It took more thought instead of blind reactionspeed. It was more fun to try and get better.
Even mercy became less fun when they gave her an easy sj and a ga speed nerf.
Hog became less fun when his alt fire was taken away.
Torbjorn was fun when he could hand out armor.
Sym used to be more fun with her double ult.
I think reinhardt is one of the few heroes who’s updates/rework has made him universally more fun.
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The very first classic Reinhardt. Back when Lucio had 100% speed boost and you had to outplay McLoser in neutral. That was super enjoyable. I did not play any of the other classic modes until this one because I am a gambling addict and need that lootbox (fix forum icons). So I lied. I went back and remembered why Hog was my forever girl. So, history will repeat itself and I am going to be pissed again once I inevitably try this Honkai Star Rail version and cry myself to sleep because this community is Midas, but only with crap instead of gold.
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