Grab a seat friend, I’m sure there’s an Ana main in here somewhere with some cookies and milk or even some hot cocoa if it’s your fancy. If not, I will happily provide you with some home made chocolate chip cookies ![:slight_smile:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=5" ":slight_smile:")
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Might as well chill here for a bit. You’ll have your mega thread in a few weeks I’m positive.
Symm isnt even in a bad spot but she needs some obvious adjustments that the devs will ignore. Same stuff Mercy needs to give her a less wonky kit. Same with Ana and Lucio actually just needs to keep his aura on when hacked and he’d be fine.
I honestly feel like supports (and former support Symm) are just meant to be a chore to play to push people toward playing anything but them.
Mercy changes: Allow one instant reset res in Val then it goes on 30s CD. Make her res cast 1.10s and not 1.75s. Allow her to duck while casting res. Remove the slow or reduce it to 15%. Reduce Valk duration to 10s give it a slight boost in speed. Either remove the chained beams and allow her a stronger burst of healing/dmg or keep the chains and give the primary beam more heals/dmg while the chained beams are at their usual hps/dps.
Symm tweaks:
Her primary needs to be wider and the tick needs adjusting. Give her another turret and remove the ability to destroy them in mid flight. Shorten her turret CD to give her a bit more versatility with them. Make her TP animation and deployment faster its far too telegraphed not to anticipate it. Her ult should give her team 75 extra shield like the former SG. That way she provides extra utility but she wont need to leave the fight to set SG and the enemy wont need to send someone to find it. The shields disappear a few seonds after the ult times out or is destroyed.
Ana needs a bit of her burst healing or damage back with her grenade. One or the other not both. Allow her ammo to be depleted only through attacking but not when she is healing. Lower the CD on sleep dart by 2s nothing drastic. Give her a camouflage ability that allows her to hide from her flankers. Unlike Sombra she wont break out of the camo with damage it doesnt give her a speed boost or anything but does allow her a moment to reposition and confuse her attackers. No she cant heal or damage but she can be damaged it just wont break her cloaking. A nice disengage that isnt movement based.
Idk I’m always thinking of things. They may not work but they are options we could look into on PTR.
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I’ve been a mercy main for a while now and I’ve been here for all of the changes. It took a while getting used to the new ult but I actually like it. Though I still think the revive needs to be changed. I think the cast time should be instant or at least give her 2 charges . It’s so frustrating trying to revive someone and then you get booped, or stunned, or hooked, etc. Then they yell at you for not reviving them. Can you please make the revive instant or give her at least two charges? And also the summer games event is coming up soon can tracer or mercy get a baywatch skin? <3
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Finally this thread is dying.
I doubt it seriously.
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Dying? You do realize for most of the posters that come here (and future potentials), it’s like the middle of the night; right?
Few of us are night owls.
This thread is far from dying.
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Heroes never die, neither mistakes.
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Give me a chance to sleep. Also, SGDQ is on. So I’m busy.
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Good times. I think I gained my “Cute” back then.
And how’s ruining Mercy going?
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Got my Cute spray back in the good ole days on both Console and PC.
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You are very welcome! I share your pain as Symmetra is my third most played, and I just feel I can’t related to this new version at all. She feels so very spammy now, not as calculating as she was before. I really miss her weapon the most, both the lock-on and her orb that could penetrate shields. I don’t have the best mechanical skills, so for me she helped me out on that front and I made use of my game-sense and positioning instead. Now she seems more like “spam alt fire until something dies”.
Cookies and milk coming right up! I’m grabbing some myself, I need it now that my first and third main were changed and my second main will never be made viable.
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I made a smurf account a while back with the goal of getting every single hero achievement in comp I played nothing but vs ai to make sure i wouldnt get achievements and i ended up getting everyones from doomfist cratered to tracers special delivery to Orisas halt state the only one i couldnt get was mercys i ended up thinking it was impossible ended up playing a ton of games in quickplay to get it and i had to throw games just to get close to getting it (I eventually got it by throwing) and i just think its horrible that i had to throw to get it and dont even regard it as a special achievement anymore…
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And that’s why saying it was press Q to win is such a nonsense.
If people couldn’t save 1 ult to counter hers, then they were just dumb and got outplayed.
Not even close.
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If that is the case, there are huge flaws in how the stats are gathered.
The system should decide if they want to judge these statistics based on the pre or post game rating or the average rating of the match and stick to that.
If those stats are manipulatated with results like that, they are pretty much useless (close to 100% are very suspicious, above 100% makes it clearly false/manipulated - in that case I would argue them to be false).
I don’t play her not because I’m bad at her, I don’t play her because her design is awful, and when one of my first reasons for that is that her valk makes her free to play and master (something that has been told even by the best world Mercys, not just me), that shows that you read nothing of my post and just decided to blindly attack me without thinking about anything. Pity.
In addition, pros, t500s and everyone but 2-3 like you thinks otherwise. Mercy is the easiest she has ever been. Valkirie gives her work for free to everyone, wheter if they are great or horrible, and current rez is just hide and rez, no strategy nor skill, just rng or skill from your teammates, but never from you.
Also, another thing that shows that you read nothing, is that I had wrote and repeated plenty of times in that huge post that her design contradicts herself because she immobilizes herself but she is a mobile support, so immobility doesn’t belong to her. Valkirie is an ez mode, weaker than her rez, and doesn’t fit neither with its cathegory nor its voice line. No one calls you to use valk, that weak it is, but everyone calls you to rez them and flame you if you can’t.
Oh, and about the drink, I don’t drink because I don’t play her, but even some t500s are so bored while using her that they can do that with no consequences (that statement comes from them). If you are so bad that you need to make a great effort to have something from current Mercy, maybe you should try tutorials first, because valkirie is just that, an ez mode for dummies. No one calls for it because you can replicate its effects if you are good enough, and there is where valkirie starts being bad design.
Furthermore, Valkirie existed before and it got removed for good by a great reason. It was unhealthy as an ultimate, so Blizz gave her something better called mass rez. Then, they had to remove its restrictions (like current rez’s) because they were terrible design, ruined the whole character and contradicted her. Nowadays with this rework, which could be even called a revert, the complains are the same as before. Valkirie makes all too easy, it’s boring, and rez’s mechanic contradicts Mercy and makes her die too much unless she hides.
Finallly, if you say that this Mercy is harder and challenging that the old one, it shows how poorly you were playing her before the rework. If you were playing her, she could do almost the same as what she can do now with valkirie (but without hiding or running away like a coward), but instead of rewarding bad players with a rez from behind a wall each 30 seconds with no more care or skill than that, you had to learn to use a powerful tool at the right time without breaking your game, and that was what made her that hard to master before. Now, once you master her basics (or not, you can use valkirie for that), you have nothing else to learn.
P.S.: I’m sorry, but your personal opinion can’t make up a mix of the two worst Mercy’s designs in whole history. It’s nothing personal, it’s just her design being bad. That’s beyond me and beyond balance.
There is a great problem there. E rez is too powerful and makes her unbalanceable because if you buff something of her kit she will be op. Also, immobility is something that doesn’t belong to a mobile character. Rez is Mercy’s signature in the game (it’s what makes her so unique and famous in and out of the game) and 1/3 of her identity, so it can’t be removed (around 1/2 of her set, and her lore are around that ability too). That leaves us with only two options: a revert (please, be aware that this only means going back entirely to her pre rework state with no changes or almost anyone) or a rework.
By now, the best option, which probably would appease the most of the people would be bringing back mass rez, tweaking it in order to stop hide and rez, and giving her a new E ability that keeps her play fluid as she had it before.
Differencies between playing old Mercy and current Mercy:
Old Mercy:
A) Using her basics:
1- Who need the most my healing?
2- Is everyone safe (this doesn’t mean being at full health)?
3- Can I boost someone or will I let my teammates to die if I do so?
4- May I use my pistol?
B) Using her E ability: Okay, she had no one. Next.
C) Using her Mass Rez:
1- How many teammates should I try to rez?
2- Are those teammates important for my team?
3- Are they well positioned (not splitted)?
4- Can I survive until that rez or should I try to use it now for not dying?
5- How many of those teammates have their ultimates ready?
6- How important are those ultimates for my team now?
7- How many resources, ults included, has the enemy team available?
8- How are my enemies positioned?
9- Is the situation really important for my ultimate to be used or can I wait?
10- What will happen if I don’t use my rez this time?
11- Will I be able to earn my rez again for the next emergency?
Current Mercy:
A) Using her basics:
1, 2, 3, 4- The same as before BUT…
5- If I can’t deal with the situation because I’m bad or I want to relax, I always have valkirie.
6- If I’m going to rez I must stop doing my basics and search a place to hide.
B) Using her E rez:
1- Is my dead teammate near of a wall where I can hide?
2- If I can’t hide… can my team babysit me?
C) Valkirie:
1- Am I bad at healing or didn’t I learn to priorizite targets? Okay, I heal.
2- Are my teammates already winning? Okay, I boost and consolidate the victory.
3- Am I already bad at aiming? Okay, I use my infinite ammo.
4- Am I bonkers or is one teammate incredibly bad positioned but far from the enemy (like dying on top of a tower)? I use rez.
5- Am I too far of my team (coming from respawn)? Okay, I use GA.
6- Am I going to die? Okay, this one is the best use of valk with no comparison. Now you cheated death and can loose into the skies or hide behind a corner.
It’s too simple. You only need to heal with valk if you are quite bad at her. You don’t need valk for shooting because if the enemy see you, you see him, so all is reduced to your skill or lack of it when aiming. You don’t need valk for having a victory if your team was already winning a game. You won’t use 2 seconds of valk for a stationary rez excepting very weird cases (and anyway, now you are rewarding/forgiving bad plays/players, unlike before, when you punished them). All is reduced then to its mobility features, and that can’t make up a real ult at all. In addition, removing all Mercy’s weaknesses is straight bad design. She was single target support. That was her strenght and her weakness and that should remain. Valkirie is just an ez mode and it’s unhealthy for the game, as it was before game’s release. Nothing has changed in that matter. As someone said: “Insanity is making the same mistakes over and over again and especting different results.”
Finally, another hint of why mass rez was way better than valkirie. It’s not just that valkirie got removed and replaced by mass rez because it was proved a bad design, and mass rez was healthier, but if you look on internet, there are plenty of good guides about how to master mass rez, but no one about valkirie. That’s because valkirie is too easy and too unnecessary. An ez mode. Just that.
Okay, then my total recount ends with a draw: 1-1. Just a funny fact, I had no potg from those plays. In the first case, that bad Pharah killed one more guy because I couldn’t wait for a 5 men rez. In the second, I simply don’t remember well who had it, think it was Reaper with hiding, jumping from a window and ulting.
Is not really useful, it’s just an aid for every situation because you have guaranteed survivality by hiding or going out of range. Rez has infinitely more power and impact than valkirie. Why do you think that some pros like Ark said that she is better played selfishly? Because she is better taking no risks, and that means exposing yourself the least possible, so you will use valk for that purpose (aka hiding or going out of range).
If that dead teammate is Widow and she died on top of a tower or something similar, yes, you can do so, but usually valkirie is not worthy of an ult at all. It’s more like an E ability lide Lucio’s amp it up. At least, he must be engaging while using it.
Interesting statement. Did you know that Mercy’s pickrates were more balanced before the rework than now? That was a balanced character, not the op monster that Blizz created with the rework and still remains near of must pick state. Also, tell us about Graviton + Dragon combo, which is press Q to win the game.
Mmmmm… nope, sorry. The endless void never dies. It’s told that such a dreadful curse is tied to the Mercy’s one, that makes her good for every situation but awful for the most of the people while her pickrates grow and grow out of control no matter how much people bash her with the nerfhammer. It is told that the day when a charming dev will come and bless Mercy by cancelling her curse and making her good design again with her identity recovered, that day the endless void will finally die, and all the poor souls that are trapped inside will be free.
The end.
P.S.: Sadly, by now those charming devs are the ones who are harming Mercy the most, so probably she would rather being trapped in a room with the entire enemy team.
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Almost at 13k. Hope you guys are having a great week ~
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All the way to 20k hopefully. i’d really like to see the devs/mods reaction if we actually reach that number.
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And seeing the forums, all we will see will be a nerf.
We’re at what, 9 megathreads total counting the old ones? To make it 10 would be hilarious.
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I just want to put this here to say that good Mercy players didn’t hide.
I never hid, and I wasn’t even a good Mercy player at the time (I usually did a lot of positioning mistakes, even sometimes bad rez leading my teammates to a sure death).
As you can see in the video, noone of these rez were done by hiding. Sometimes I had to take cover (e.g. Anubis), but never did I hide to deliberately let my team die.
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