Maybe it’s because you didn’t include your point in the post.
And… where did I say Moira and Mercy were similar healers with similar goals?
The point of my post was how I found it interesting to compare Mercy and Ana in terms of ult changes and the power rise with other healers.
Ana goes down, Lucio goes up. Lucio goes down, Mercy goes up. Mercy goes down, Moira goes up. Interesting how that works. I feel that now is the only time we’ve truly had multiple healers getting picked fairly often (Moira, Brigitte, Zenyatta.)
What part of that is comparing Mercy and Moira’s gameplay? I was just writing down my thoughts…
edit: yes, mercy hasn’t gone down completely. but rez meta was a thing especially post rework, since she was so powerful with the shortened cd.
I was referring to this very very vague ramble.
The problem is that the Mercy ossue has grown too much and no one is willing to accept it.
I doubt the D.Va and other megathreads for hero changes have inflated to 9 megathreads… i mean threads 1 to 7 had around 5000 post before closing and thread 8 had almost 20000
There at least 55000 post
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Okay… according to the pro player Ark, the best way to use it is taking zero risks. That means almost not using it, as his stats shows (I try to play her selfish, he says). This way, he die less than any other pro. Also, explain us how can that ability be used better when there is no difference between the number of rezzes from bronze rank and GM rank. I’ll tell you how: HIDE AND REZ/TELL EVERYONE TO BABYSIT YOU. None of these take real skill from you, so there is nothing to learn.
Also, having a bunch of streamers moaning about mass rez was never a valid reason for reworking rez and giving her an ez mode pro simulator that simply make up your own skills.
No, she is not fine, she is bad design. She needs a rework in the right direction. This one is a failure.
Sigh… He was trying to explain you that Moira now is preferred by a lot of Mercy players because Mercy is no longer enjoyable and Moira still is (Ana still needs some help). The change from Ana to Mercy was as simple as the grandma being overnerfed and people going to the next main support of the list: Mercy. Now Mercy is somehow balanced but not enjoyable (but before the rework she was balanced and fun however) so people go to the next one: Moira. If Blizz suddenly shows a new main support and destroy Moira, then people will try that new support. Come on, it’s not rocket science.
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There’s about a 5-6 difference in the averages going from bronze to GM.
This is your opinion and peoples opinions on this are very very mixed.
You can’t rework mercy in any direction from here that doesn’t A. break her like before B. make her absolutely useless.
If you change the core idea of mercy then you will get people complaining that they want mercy back, you can’t please everyone.
When you don’t specify the argument to be about enjoyment it’s pretty safe to assume you don’t understand the concept of pure healing vs utility.
She wasn’t balanced before the rework and fun is subjective.
The same argument could be used against changing Scatter Arrow. Viability was never the issue. The reason that both received changes is that they are frustrating to play against.
Hanzo will remain fun anyway.
And the problem with Hanzo, as Devs think and say, it was because “If we’ll nerf scatter in damage, Hanzo will be pretty useless”. A rework, for Devs, of Hanzo was needed because of it, not the only “not fun against”, because you could reduce the damage.
This said, the rework of Mercy was never needed and called. If they added only LoS and maybe a cast time, every was fine.
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How’s this valid feedback when you’ve played zero hours on Mercy this competitive season apparently? Watching someone play Mercy and playing as Mercy are completely different experiences, please don’t bring OWL into the comparison either. For the feedback to be fair you ideally need to have played both against Mercy and as Mercy for some hours. You’ve played plenty of hours against Mercy but none as Mercy in this competitive season. Even your quick play time is only 18 minutes on Mercy, though quick play isn’t really a good environment to test Mercy imo.
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I have 35 minutes on mercy in all of my competitive seasons combined and having time on mercy is irrelevant to understanding her.
You’re neglecting the perspective of those who do not play Mercy. We felt that it wasn’t fun to play against mass res, balanced or not. Similar to Hanzo.
As far as everyone else is concerned, it’s like Hanzo mains making long threads asking for Scatter Arrow back.
So, by your logic, why go to college when having knowledge on/for/about something is irrelevant to the career you’re trying to pursue?
Right?
Right.
You NEED to know how Mercy works with the experience gained from playing her to understand how she feels in terms of play styles. You can’t just watch someone play her and go ‘oh that’s easy LOL’. I mean, you don’t watch someone juggle and say ‘EZ, I can do that with my eyes closed’ when you can’t actually juggle.
I don’t watch people play Genji and go ‘wow, so ez, I totally know everything about him’.
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You don’t need to play something to objectively understand how to do it from observing others.
I understand how to play mercy but i choose to not hinder my team by playing her because i don’t play a GM level mercy.
Even if you can juggle that doesn’t mean that you need to start juggling chainsaws because someone else does, you’re just trying to dumb down the argument.
I beg to differ, you’ve not played as the recent iteration of Mercy this competitive season. Competitive is the most ideal environment to test how a hero works out for both the person playing the hero and the players playing against that hero. That would be like saying if someone played as Mercy 1.0 and never played as the newest iteration of Mercy, since comparing those versions of Mercy they have some different abilities in the kit lol (so you’d learn how to effectively use them again).
She’s fine from your perspective most probably because you always play against Mercy, especially as a DPS hero. Having a little time on the current iteration of a hero in competitive I feel is important when you conclude that she’s okay as she currently is.
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Yes, yes you do. Again, you can not just walk into a profession and ask for a job without having the correct education for it. So how do you feel justified in saying your opinion shadows others because you ‘objectively’ know how to play her versus opinions of those who have or do actively play as Mercy?
(And before you say ‘I never said that’, you pretty much implied it with such a bold response.)
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So you have to be the master at anything you do or you don’t get to have an opinion?
No, you need to have an UNDERSTANDING, not just some half-arsed view of something. You’re making it out like you know enough to give an opinion worth standing over everyone else’s.
Having not even an hour of recent time logged into her basically says you tried her, didn’t care for her, then used another hero. But yet you stand here, acting like we should be listening to you over other views.
If you want to share an opinion; fine, but do not belittle others opinions. Yours is no greater than theirs nor is it lesser.
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Genji gets nerf. Almost reverted immediately. Mercy gets a nerf. Deal with it. LOL Blizzard. 
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Nobody is saying you have to be the master at anything to have any opinion, just that you should have a little play time on the current version of a hero in a competitive environment to really understand from both perspectives as to what’s good or not so good about the current version of a hero. It’s quite easy for someone to say Mercy is fine from the perspective of playing against her but never played as her.
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So in this case i would have to be a GRAND MASTER mercy to have the time that you require from someones objective view.