That’s not even where I was going with that.
I was explicitly suggesting you wouldn’t be skilled enough to play them and would therefore appreciate the power of mindless left/right click spam.
This would make Valkyrie a more spontaneous and involved Ultimate since there would be a decent reason to descend into the fight and risk it. Plus earning a Ultimate is the reward for good play so that would bring back the meaning of Resurrect to the Mercy.
Too bad everyone else didn’t see it balanced. Litterally only the Mercy mains thought it was balanced. I loved the concept, but it wasn’t balanced. It was either useless or game winning. A single press on Q was game winning. Maybe try other heroes before you start making excuses
I’m glad they’re not immediately capitulating to the community because new Mercy is better. People keep complaining she’s a heal bot, she was the same thing before? Except sometimes you would hide and then press Q. Super fun and interactive.
1 resurrect with the cast time seems enough to me tbh, she doesn’t need an aoe res thing. As long as the E was decent that is.
Resurrect is stupid powerful.
I think it needed adjustments to don’t stick words in my mouth.
Just like any other ultimate in the game. It can be either useless or game winning so… where is your argument?
Above you said it could be either useless or game-winning so… What is it?
Edit: I play Moira a lot more since Mercy isn’t an optimum pick if your teammates are potatoes because she is 95% reliant on them. Moira can just do everything better and more effectively then Mercy can and that includes Healing.
Any explanation or evidence ?
I should provide explanation or evidence for how I feel? Really? Or are you referring to the part about other people? Because I can list plenty of threads, reddit threads, twitch clips saying exactly that. Even other support players hated it.
I am very much disheartened that it’s gone. And plenty of other people are as well.
*plenty of other mercy mains
So why did she had one since launch ?
Why did Genji had 8 second Dragonblade at launch? Why did Zarya have 50 charge per barrier instead of 40 per barrier per launch? Why did Ana have +100% heal on Grenade instead of +50%? Do you see my point? That’s not an argument. And plenty of people hated that ability even when it was objectively underpowered, which was before the invuln buff was introduced. And for a good reason. It feels garbage to play against. More than any other thing, most of which actually have counterplay.
We want to be impactful as Mercy.
At this point you are saying Mercy cannot be impactful.
Why is she still in the game if so ?
Most of complaints are about “Mercy can’t no longer counter ults”, which she never did btw, she countered the aftermath. My point was - if you want to do that, play Lucio or play Zen.
At this point you are saying Mercy cannot be impactful.
No, other people are saying that. I’m saying that her ult is fine in terms of impact.
Is watching your teammates die one by one, while loudly saying “Heroes never die” being impactful ? Is it even making sense ?
The voice line change didn’t make sense. But since so many players asked for that voice line to be returned, they did so even tho it doesn’t make sense. So I’m not sure how that is a point since it was something that was directly asked for by the players.
So you are saying that no hero in the game is engaging since every gameplay is about pressing buttons.
According to the devs Mercy got reworked in order to be more engaging.
Either devs are wrong, or you are.
The “engaging” and “impactful” complaints started after instant resurrection in Valk was removed. You could no longer press a button and get an instant, unblockable effect going. Which is very different from pressing buttons with other heroes.
It is since a hero’s base kit undoes it.
Her base kit is single-target. Valk is potentially 5*60 = 300 HP/s. She also gets buffs on her GA and her base movement speed + constant flight. So, yeah, it’s not her base kit.
Her ults is pointless and cannot counter in any way any enemy ult.
She’s supposed to be a support. To support her teammates. To help them. To defend them. She can’t. Valkyrie can’t.
THAT’S THE GOAL
THE GOAL IS THAT IT CAN’T COUNTER ULTS OR TEAMWIPES
THAT’S LITERALLY THE GOAL OF THE CHANGE
That ability will never come back. In any way or form. You support your team by healing them. If you want to counter ults, play Zen or Lucio. Simple as that.
This doesn’t make any sense to me.
If D.Va managed to cancel an ult isn’t it because she timed her matrix well ?
I could say this with every character:
“Huh I cancelled grav + blade with trans I’m such a good player”
4 second matrix was pretty much always available. Managing it was trivial when it had such a big uptime. And for most ults you needed just a second or two, not more since you buy time with it, either to hide or for your team to kill the ulting person.
“Huh I cancelled grav + blade with trans I’m such a good player”
That’s an ultimate. He earned it. Also, it was a trade. An unfavourable one but still a trade. Ult(s) for an ult. With matrix, there wasn’t any trade.
If it is wrong to play a character because you enjoy his ult, then we can say it is wrong to play a character because you like his kit, his overall gameplay, his identity, whatever he owns, and so we conclude that it is wrong to play a character.
If you don’t find the basic gameplay satisfying enough and if the ult is the crucial part of what makes a hero playable to you, then yeah, I think you should rethink your reasons for playing that hero. I don’t play Soldier because of Visor. I don’t play Hanzo because of Dragonstrike. I don’t play Tracer because of Pulse Bomb. I don’t play Zarya because of Grav. If any of those ultimates got changed I’d very likely still keep playing them because I enjoy the basic part of their gameplay. Aiming. Even with Zarya, reason why I enjoy her is because it feels good to track someone with her beam and kill them. It feels meaningful and rewarding since if your aim is off, you won’t be doing anything of value. Getting a POTG with Grav or Visor is garbage and things like that is something that almost anyone could do. In that sense, I’m not a big fan of either of those ultimates. If any of them got completely changed, I’d still keep playing those characters.
It needs better variation in it so that there is a higher skill ceiling without raising the skill floor too high for an “easy” hero.
All for patience, but it doesn’t take much to acknowledge the concerns.
And it would be nice to know their design thoughts on Mercy and why she her kit is the way it is (and has been).
Definite is a strong term to use when the Devs have more or less said they are letting the dust settle.
That is what it seems to be.
Taking cover from ults was not hiding. Not wanting to get caught in grav or be around to die to Dragonblade that WOULD target you if you were in their LOS was not hiding. It STILL isn’t. If Mercy players do the SAME THING now without mass rez, do you still consider it hiding?!
I could totally get behind this. Actually, I think PJs would be cute for most of the cast.
You can NEVER pose that as an argument since there is NO ULTIMATE in the game that comes from the DPS category that has SUSTAINED damage that doesn’t have the potential to kill. THEREFORE there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for an ultimate that is sustained healing.
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I’ll give it time, but that will not mean I’ll be silent. I’m a fan afterall and if I’m silent then I’m not really that caring about what I’m a fan of.
I’ll use logic and reason. I’m game to compromise.
The difference is that mass res would undo that at the press of a button, it encourages the whole team to die and for mercy to hide away so she can undo everything with 1 unskilled button press.
No it’s not hiding in the same way now.
Its a completely different situation.
Please don’t go down the route of “well the dps who killed the team just pressed q or should have killed mercy first” won’t even respond.
I am EXPLICITLY talking about hiding. You know, people blaming Mercy for running off and HIDING to rez. If I am NOT considered to be hiding now while doing the SAME THING, then I was NOT hiding back then. End of story.
Sticking words in your mouth? You should stop humiliating yourself
That Mercy’s had no counterplay. This isn’t a discussion this is something you should simply know. Don’t you know anything other than pressing Q?
Another hero’s imbalance does not justify Mercy’s imbalance
Different situation of being able to undo a team wipe in 1 button.
Not going to respond further.
Thinking something could use tweaks doesn’t mean it’s broken. It just means it needs adjustments.
But statistics show she is balanced though…
Edit nvm got the wrong end of the stick! ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=5" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
That was more targeted to the people saying mercy is unplayable and that the balance team should be fired (there have been people saying that). I’m glad your being vocal about a character you love but while being respectful!
And I agreed? She isn’t imbalanced, and shouldn’t be.