Knowing a mass rezz gives more points than a tempo rezz incentivizes hide n rez.
Tempo rezz was statistically always better than waitig for a mass rezz and you contribute to the flow of the fight.
Taking these two into consideration, fixing the SR exploit would mean less people hide because it doesnt help your team and it is boring.
You use this comment when it serves your purpose yet i saw you say a few comments or days ago that “it is unfun to play against hiding mercies”.
Just because some mercies hide doesn’t mean they all do.
Huge swaths of the community are happy with where Mercy is now. Her ladder pick and win rates are good, and she has more usage in the pro scene than she ever had back in Mass Rez days. Current Mercy diversifies the meta in ways that Mass Rez Mercy never did. I hope beyond hope that there’s no way Blizzard reverts to the more stale meta in order to sate a minority of the community (even if they make a loud portion of these specific forums).
steps in and looks around
Mercy still ruined? looks at the fun-o-meter
Ok, well, see you when Blizzard recognises they messed up, so when Hell freezes over or so.
I dont care which one it is, but mercy brings no diversity. Feel free to prove me wrong.
You can pick zen for burning shields or tank comps.
You can pick ana if you want to combo with certain dps ults.
You can pick lucio if the map favors him or if he has a very immobile comp for speed boosts.
You can run ana or moira in heavy brawls to aoe heal your teammates.
Mercy fits everywhere and nowhere. She has nothing special that would make picking her better or worse for your team.
You have no gameplay potential in her kit (and repeatedly explained this 10 times already.)
Rezz:
Requires teammates to die in sensible places
Requires protection from the rest of the team
Once a teammate dies enemy team can and will hard engage due to the advantage.
You have to stop healing to rezz that person which can result in another death of a teammate or your own
There is no difference between a bronze mercy rez count and a GM mercy rezz count.
Rezz IS powerful and therefore should be earned, not given every 30 seconds
Apart from killing mercy a boop by dva rein pharah lucio etc etc can simply cancel her rezz without refund
Valkyrie:
Now gives her flight. She never had her own flying so why put so much value in it acting like we cant live without it?
You can stay on the floor where you can get attacked by 80% of the heroes or you can fly up to the sky where you will get highnooned or tac visored. (Granted idk what ranks you play, but in diamond + flying high up just gets you killed)
Now enhances her basic kit and splits her healing to all teammates in range. This incentivizes teammates stacking and opening oportunities for enemies to aoe ult them.
The healing from said beams is 60 hps. Every tank and dps hero’s normal attacks can outdamage this. You dont even have to focus mercy to completely negate her ult.
You are better off using it to engage. This is true, but as soon as ONE enemy pulls an offensive ult, valkyrie loses the entire value. You can’t keep teammates alive through that and you certainly can’t help to mitigate the impact of that ult.
Mercy was reworked for 3 reasons (as explained by jeff):
Hiding: whilst the old mercy hid exclusively during their ult (a minority of mercy players actually), the new mercy hides every time she rezzes or casts valk (unless you play in a potato league where even 3 hitscans cant take you out of the sky).
Mercy stopped healing during this time: Now she has to stop healing everytime she attempts to rezz a teammate. This leaves your team low of a main healer and countless times have i experienced or seen this happen to my teams and enemy teams.
It is “unfun” to play against: subjective reason. As a support main i find tracer and winston unfun to play against. So what? If we can use “unfun” as a reason to nerf something then i can use “unfun” as a reason to buff it.
As you can see above, it is obvious that the goals for the rework all failed and did the opposite.
Its good that there are people out there who enjoy the new mercy. It is good that they give feedback and say what they like aboit it. But instead of taking a hero that has existed since launch and rework her so drastically, blizz could have implemented those ideas into a new hero and given mass rezz a LOS.
Your claims that huge amounts of people are happy with her rework can be proven wrong by those statistics you hold so dear.
Current mercy has less pickrate than mercy 1.0 even though you see her in owl and new players joined the game since the rework. That should be a very big indication as to who really is happy with her rework, because as it stands, the majority are not. This isn’t even my personal bias or opinion, this is a fact.
The problem i and many others have isn’t about wanting her to be OP or “unfun” to play against.
The problem i personally have is that i find being a sitting duck and giving up my whole purpose (healing and mobility) for a rezz that is so easily counteres a bad game design.
The other problem i have is that an ultimate is meant to have a “wow” effect. It is used to win fights or to save teammates (support ults mainly) and be unique. Mercy just doesnt have that effect. Her ult gives her a spectator mode and her 60 hps beam spreads onto more allies. That is neither impressive or helpful. It is bland, requires 0 target priority, 0 decision making and any other ult could do it better. I could initiate with a moira E + ult or an ana offensive nade + ult and completely change the agression in that fight. So why would anyone ever want to pick mercy? Shes bad at defending her team and any other supp can engage much better and safer with their teammates than her.
So where does that leave her? In a bad spot.
As we can all agree, “fun” and “unfun” are subjective. But you cant change things for dps players feeling one way, yet refuse to appeal to the feelings of other roles (which as I stated earlier is the majority of mercy players that quit playing her between 1.0 and the current interation.
I got to 3970 SR by NOT hiding as mercy which i even have videos of on youtube so obviously your statement is only your opinion. Plenty other mercys here have said and shoen that they never went to hide so dont apply your opinion to everyone.
You cant really say “prove me wrong” after stating an opinion.
Mercys high pickrate, good winrate, and good usage in OWL show me that she is better now than she was before. 2 dozen or so people complain on the forums daily about not having fun (just pick a diff hero ffs) but millions are out there enjoying Mercy.
In my opinion, she will not and should not see a revert or rework. She’s set for now, and its time to work on heroes who actually need work like Symmetra and Torbjorn.
You didn’t even bother to properly read my post before throwing more nonsense out. Therefore i will not give you a proper reply either.
I stated a fact “she brings no diversity” then said that the person i replied to (who btw isn’t you) is invited to prove me wrong.
I later explained in detail why.
… you dont seem to be the smartest cookie in the jar …
I work in a tax office, if you want i can offer you a hand in maths and statistics.
Pretty much everyone who enjoyed mercy since release and now stopped playing her.
If a big company suddenly sees a drop in sales for one of their products, it means something is wrong with said product.
Economy 101
Same applies to this scenario. If there is a big drop in pickrates of a hero after a rework it indicates something is wrong. Best example: Roadhog.
P.s.my offer to help you understand statistics and maths still stands.
Im not a “nice” person and i never claimed to be. I state facts and opinions and i am open for debate. If anyone wants to act and talk like we are in kindergarden then i will treat you like a child.
I honestly think we should try to keep some parts of current Mercy but bringing back some others of the old one. I know bunny hop is very popular, so I would keep that with no doubt. Also, turning Valkirie into an E ability would make it more common to use, so the point would be how to redesign it in a way that could work and be balanced. Resurrect can only fit as an ultimate without breaking Mercy’s game.
I guess you will ask why we treat you harshly. You are showing zero respect, so Idk what do you expect.
Valkirie and E rez are pure cancer as designs and for the game as they encourage hiding all the time, suicidal and unskilled play with primadonna dpss everywhere. With Mass Rez, Mercy could perfectly use it without hiding and survive. Your point is completely invented and false.
True. Sadly she is mostly only used to boost widowmakers in the back of the fight.
Good question i hope more people will answer this one.
Many of us have stated that her current kit is:
Low on decision making
Low skill ceiling
“Boring” spectator mode
An ult that can’t do anything good against enemy ults and is simply a replica of what she already does. Like you already LMB to heal ppl all game why give her an ult that does the same but where you dont even need to target prio.
Dependance on your team to babysit you
Lack of playmaking
Almost any other support ult outshines her
Ress promotes bad plays by teammates (risky plays because they think they can get rezzed)
Ult is counterproductive since it pushes your team to group up tight but this opens space for enemy ults.
Basically a lot of people who want a rework, would rather pick F tier mercy than an A tier hero that is only good in owl because there is a whole team protecting her.
I think this is more why the change was made. After all, Ultimate are not meant to be fun to play against (most can only be reliably countered by positioning).
It has been indicated in past that the Devs make changes based on a future meta not necessarily the current meta.
Still I am not happy with this Ultimate because it’s main purpose is to allow me to survive that’s it.
“If the Mercy rework doesn’t work, we will bring her back” - Jeff Kaplan, 2017. I’d like to think this rework didn’t work. It’s a mess. And how they treat Support, not just Mercy mains. DPS Whine about Mercy? Nerfed. Zen? Nerfed. Ana? Nerfed. Tracer? No nerf. Soldier 76? No nerf. Junk rat? Basically no nerf. Listen Jeff, I know you want to basically delete Mercy. But you really took the fun out of Mercy. You’re making Mercy mains leave, all because you cater to DPS mains and 1 tricks. Good job. Mercy mains are leaving, while DPS roam freely. You made a mess of the rework. All Mercy is now is a Heal not. Rest In Peace, Angela. It was an honor to serve with you. (And you DPS mains saying “You’re a Mercy Main you have no brain to play other characters”, Just because I play Mercy doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion)
I feel like this post is going to get muted or disabled replies, because there’s a 12.7K post which Blizzard have made, yet hasn’t gotten any attention regarding the community feedback.
