the gauntlet and other vs. ai.ez modes are fun ngl
and u only need 2-3 peeps the bot backfills do the rest
insta queues and bettar agents i take the vs. ai
and vs. ai doesnt need as much pop bcuz they alrdy killed this gaem
Duh.
Where’s your proof of this? Genuinely curious. Like is this available as an actual statistic or is it just “I have a feeling that this is the case” sort of situations?
The only reason why it seems worse this season was because the ranks were shaken up. Prior to this season it was weird, but a lot of it could be attributed to min-maxing and rank resets.
I played that game in my late teens. I’m well aware of the situation involving the game. I’m also well aware that it was loved by the community to the extent that certain members of our small community tried to revive it but were sent a cease and desist notice.
My point being regarding it being a dead game is that the servers no longer exist and any attempts to revive the game by the community were also squashed.
Even Overwatch 1 was mismanaged. How long did we go without an update again? The people on this forum are so fatalistic in believing that any change that they do not enjoy is actively killing the game. I’m grateful for the content updates, new heroes, that they’re listening to feedback, as well as trying new things.
I think if they weren’t doing this one could definitely infer that the game is dying, but given that the devs are definitely trying to improve things I don’t exactly believe that that is a fair statement.
When did I say that? No one here was demanding actual quality in the game, complaining and stating that the game is dead is not feedback, nor is it demanding quality. If the person was actually making an attempt at a thoughtful discussion instead of stating that the game was dead I never would have said that.
There are ways to phrase things like this in a way that is constructive and avoids belittling other people that have opinions that are different from their own. Expecting quality and giving feedback is different from coming to the forums and stating “Overwatch is dead”. This is a forum, forums are for discussion. Actively coming to the forum and complaining without any substance is stupid.
I appreciate that and I feel the same way on a lot of those factors. But there are ways to voice those opinions in a way that’ll make it easier for you to be heard versus coming out with a one-sided opinion that the game is doomed and that nothing that is being done will “save” the game. It just seems immature to me.
How would you like them to use their reasoning for balancing if they aren’t going to use statistics? Do you have an alternative method that you believe would be better?
I honestly think it’s too early to come to that conclusion considering what just happened with the merger. What we’re seeing currently in the game is the result of effort that has taken place many months prior to now.
We will not see the results of the recent changes until many months in the future. As far as I know the numbers are still quite high and people that have left on breaks or because of displeasure of how things have been proceeding may return if the changes made have a positive impact in the future.
We are still suffering from the impact of Bobby Kotick and the merger, I think it’s too early to state that the game is dying.
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Professional experience from marketing and sales as well as having been a game tester for 20+ years. It’s not a case of ‘trust me bro’ it’s a case of that’s how it works with this specific business model.
Nah, it was bad before the MMR/SR adjustment, now it’s just plain trash.
Then in response to:
Then there’s the rest of the OP, but that part in particular is not wrong. It is very much true.
I get what you’re saying, but any feedback, negative, criticism etc is still feedback.
This is very true. Listing the things you dislike and any suggested remedies is feedback.
“Games dead” is just a lazy meme that isn’t either helpful or factual.
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Interesting. I prefer hard statistics, but I respect your perspective and experience.
Specifically what makes it plain trash compared to before. Once again these are feelings. I’m not saying I wholly disagree btw, it’s just feelings aren’t concrete evidence.
I’m sorry but stating that “quite literally everything that made this game fun is now gone” isn’t exactly the sort of feedback that I consider constructive. Everything is not specific. How is anyone responding to this supposed to know what “everything” stands for?
To me it just looks like someone stating that the game isn’t fun anymore, coming to the forums to complain about it without giving any specific or constructive feedback. If a game isn’t fun anymore, you should stop playing it. But you should definitely give constructive feedback otherwise it’s just whining.
Let me give you an example of a game that I quit after spending the better part of a decade playing. This game was Guild Wars 2. It used to be that you could obtain a lot of cosmetics from the game by just playing the game. But the developers changed their business model to something similar to the difference between OW1 and OW2. They also stopped supporting a lot of the pvp modes, which is the community that I interacted with a lot. But they keep adding more expansions, but with each expansion the story gets worse and you can obtain less for the same price tag. These are the reasons why I quit, as a veteran player I felt that my needs weren’t being met and the progression wasn’t as good as it used to be, ergo it was less fun. But, these are tangible things, this isn’t me saying “everything that made this game fun is now gone” this is me being specific. You cannot invite proper discourse on a public forum without being specific, this is a place for discussion. Whining is not discussion.
Pardon my lack of editing I got 4 hours of sleep, please bare with it.
TL;DR; This ^.
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This is why the game is dead. Maybe it’s not dead in player numbers or money or whatever else. But if it’s relying on new players to sustain a flat playerbase, then for anyone that actually wants to play the game long term and expect there to be others with the same skill and game knowledge, then to them it is dead.
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You don’t need to write a five page essay to provide feedback. That’s just a waste of time.
Any feedback is feedback, whether it’s negative or criticism, and any developer worth their salt take all feedback and use that as fuel to improve their game. Blizzard does not. Simple.
I don’t even need to reply to this as it’s been a hot topic since s9 released on this forum and everywhere else.
You can like statistics as much as you like, but it’s still how this business model works and how it’s intended to work. It’s how the business model have worked for years in every other F2P live service game.
K.
No one said anything about writing an essay, it’s not difficult to make a jot list of what major issues may be. I may have not been succinct, and I apologize I didn’t really sleep last night, but that’s beside the point.
So don’t reply. Not that hard.
I think you misunderstood when I asked for proof. I asked for proof specifically in your claim that there weren’t enough players being pulled in. I’m sorry, I suppose I confused you.
Statistics can directly prove whether there are enough new players being pulled into the game and are being retained. Anecdotal evidence of “trust me bro I’ve allegedly been in this field” isn’t exactly proof.
This back and forth has gone on long enough, I don’t think we have anything of value to discuss anymore. Have a nice day.
Like i said, it’s not a ‘trust me bro’ case here. I don’t need to prove anything to you. I’ve worked in the industry. You can take it any way you want to. I couldn’t care less.
Statistically, F2P games always pull in new players, but many fail to retain players due to their monetization schemes, which leads to said games bleeding players and OW2 have exactly that problem. It remains to bee seen, whether or not the new monetization system being implemented in S10 is better, but i’m not holding my breath.
There really isn’t much to debate here. You can find statistics online if you wish, for other games following the same model.
I am sure there are some examples of this. There are also example (Fortnite) of the complete opposite.
OW is a good example of a game having its audience, and it not really changing. Overall, it isn’t really losing players, but it isn’t gaining them either. It is steady.
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queues even in gold are taking 17 minutes (all roles).
imagine the people who got S9 fake “reset” from bronze5 to bronze5 after 1 placement.
probably 40 mins queues into leavers and trolls.
that isn’t efficiently climbable.
rigged or not skillfull or not…if you are fundamentally limited by games/hour
then even at 100% win, you’re still taking hundreds of hours to climb to what might have been your correct rank all along (assuming a legit system where ranks hold any meaning, which we have no evidence for).
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Although how a game may be percievced is subjective, in no way would i say this game is dead, it’s full of content every season and it seems more than ever that the dev team is now trying more and more radical changes, especially with their new approach in how they update the PVP side of the game.
still waiting for these facts i need to face
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My queues haven’t been as bad as you may describe that might be because of me being in a higher rank (High Plat-Diamond) and that I primarily solo q, tank takes like 30 seconds (the role is a shell of its former self so ofc) and dps and support takes about 2-3 minutes and thats all around night or day. When it comes to climbing, yes its grindy and difficult, but if you’re good enough to be in a rank you want, no matter how many bad teammates you get, as long as you, yourself, the player, gets better than eventually after many many games you will always be in the rank that matches your skill level. This is the type of mindset you should have, a few bad teamates and going against stacks shouldn’t be a worry as long as you’re just winning your games by being better and good. You lost a game oh well, you lost no point of dwelling on it (a good tip is by watching your replays and seeing the good things and bad things you do in your matches and see what you need to keep doing, keep working on, and try to stop doing any bad habits) if you’re on a losing streak well damn tough luck but if you’re good enough you’ll climb back up. There’ll always be obstacles and outside factors you can’t control and thats why focusing on your skills and gameplay is ultimately the main goal you should have while climbing ranked. :>
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It’s actually pretty enjoyable this season idk what you mean, you aren’t forced to buy anything. There isn’t even a competitive advantage of a hero in the battle pass anymore. If you want a real issue play high rank console where every game is cheaters
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Overwatch Competitive is dead. The game lives on in unranked.
Orisa is their favourite tank hero.
games are 100x better quality in comp compared to qp, why would you play that lmao
Actually, no it’s not.
Recall, the devs aren’t going to get a bonus because of the poor financial performance of the title.
Check the quarterly financial results. You’ll see a continued decline in “player investment”.
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Games lately are actually more balanced in Quick Play than comp. Masters comp barely feels like plat anymore with leavers and throwers every other game.
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