actually, I would argue that they do the opposite. keep the self knockback and damage, but remove the enemy knockback.
she still needs coach gun to reach high grounds as a sniper. this way its used as a tool to control her own space, and not affrct the space of enemy trying to contest her
I figure, either they go hard on these types of changes on Experimental. And make Tanks more independent.
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Or they go the other direction and make barriers stronger, but make AnchorTanks weaker at close range, but 20% faster projectiles.
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Iâve been saying Orisa should be a bunker tank for months now. We can actually buff her shield but hard nerf fortify and Halt, Orisa becomes a great defensive shield tank for certain maps but sucks once enemies get closer or manage to dive.
Sigma is more complicated matter though. Even with Experimental I think thatâs a chance heâll be meta.
Well, that didnt age well
Call me when and if Orisaâs shield is buffed. Wanna pick what I say apart at least be subtle about it.
A sniper that lets herself get dove or flanked SHOULD be at a huge disadvantage
I mean thatâs the argument they always use about how supports should be helpless right?
Rework grapple and delete SMG
To be fair, who really predicted Hogwatch?
even if you force 1 main and 1 off, you could still run Orisa/rein and sigma and even ball hog
and no - we should not make sigma a main tank nor ball an off tank
the best thing to do is to rebuff Orisa sigma, buff all the offtanks to sigmas level, revert hogs recent buffs but buff with the gas cloud
I basically did in so many responses.
People said tanks would effectively be useless and nobody would queue tank anymore if the changes went through.
My explanations on how nerfing one aspect of a class can actually improve pick rates on other heroes of the same class instead of making the entire class useless fell mostly on deaf ears.
i predicted diveâŚwhich is obviously not hogwatch 
123 was a failure because itâs miserable for healers just as why the hog+offtank meta is miserable for heals as well.
123 would work better if they bring the off tank to dps spot, but that will just kill the integrity of of the game (not that there are much left.)
It was also pretty bad for tanks. You could not take front position without risking getting shot in the back of the head. The only people that liked that mode was DPS.
As for what can be done regarding double shield, I think the answer is simple. Replace Sigmaâs barrier with another ability. Also, NERF snipers. I always found it strange how Hanzo and Widow, especially Widow, do not have falloff damage or how Widow doesnât have 150 health to offset her abilities.
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To be fair, who really predicted Hogwatch?
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Blizz balancing can do anything
2 weeks later, I told yall.
Barriers arenât the issue, stop thinking like that, double shield is just the newest iteration of the meta thatâs been going on for the past two years, survive for as long as you can. Heroes who have healing as their primary utility (the heroes added post launch) are the catalysts to this and are the reason this playstyle is played, not the shields
Letâs have a look at whatâs played shall we.
Widow, Ashe, Hanzo, McCree. All countered by shields.
Hog/Zarya, off tanks better at attacking squishy targets than barriers (this is .7 damage hog, not the new one).
What the old meta stopped was double sniper. Sigma especially. They made sure that snipers struggled to get any value by protecting key targets from their line of fire. People played double shield to such a high degree because they knew it stopped Widow from getting value. It also allowed for other anti-shield chars to be played, IE Junkrat, Genji, Tracer, Doomfist etc.
Now that shields are dead, itâs the same 6-8 heroes across most ranks (Widowâs swapped out for McCree + Rein appears in Diamond and below).
It, absolutely was barriers that were the catalyst.
Mate hog zarya wonât actually be meta is just what ranked is playing rn because nobody is actually in the right environment to discover the meta, of owl plays hog zarya as most played then Iâll be very surprised
I like how every time thereâs a weird shift in meta especially when it comes to shields, double sniper immediately reappears and everyone remembers that it was an ever-present issue that was mediated by the tanks.
And plus their even stronger now with Ashe being a solid pick.
I wonât be tbh. People are trying Rein instead of Zarya, and generally the meta is âwhich two tanks can attack/kill each other.â Rein into Hog is a very one sided fight.
Ranked has barely ever played whatâs best, the only meta that ranked has pioneered was orisa hog and other than that they just play what feels more fun