This is 100% correct. Ask any OWL player how they would fix Ranked Mode and the first answer given nearly every time is Role Que.
Role Que has been brought up again and again and again in Dev interviews and they keep just frustratingly dismissing it.
The Devs keep trying to have their cake and eat it too by trying to make “Competitive” Mode both casual friendly and actually competitive and it’s not working.
owl players have organized looking for group where people with money come get together and buy players to their team.
I mean, wave some money in the LFG and see how quickly you’ll get what you want.
What does OWL players getting paid to play in a professional league have anything to do with Ranked Mode being broken AF due to lack of even base coordination for at least 90% of the ladder? (which is what the Pro’s are implying that forced Role Que would help to address).
Just because they get paid to coordinate and play via a team does not mean that forcing ladder players (at least below Diamond) to learn the game from a basic coordination-level would not benefit the Mode as-a-whole.
I’d say we need enforced 2-2 for tanks and supports and no limit for dps. And bye GOATS.
owl is like ranked mode and if you want anything like owl gameplay and set teams you’re going to have to hire your team.
No, OWL is nothing like Ranked Mode and that’s the point. Blizzard has stated that they wanted “Competitive” Mode to be a feeder system for OWL. But it is no where near that in it’s current state.
Forced 2-2-2 would be inconsequential to 90% of the ladder because most players cannot (and do not) pull off META Comps that are used in pro and semi-pro play in the first place, (below Diamond)
then everyone would just queue up as flex … and then why bother having a system ?? personally, i wont ever queue up as support mostly due to the nature of the community that instalocks 3 snipers. sorry bro, im not healing that.
100% support strict 2-2-2 queue. I’d also support it being in QP. You definitely don’t want anything like 4flex-1heal-1tank because that instantly becomes the nonviable 4dps-1heal-1tank. 2-2-2 is the best possible comp from both a watching and playing standpoint and should be enforced.
It’s evident that the pros outweigh the cons by tons.
Being against role que is just selfish.
Here’s another pro for you: balance will be a lot easier if it is done aiming at 2-2-2 comps!
What’s your point? That you think forcing 2-2-2 will provide more diversity? You just have a different opinion than me. I don’t think it will, just because people have to adapt doesn’t mean that a new meta won’t develope. But now there is less options to to counter that new meta. You can’t ever go trip dps, support, or tank to counter anything.
And only allowing 2 dps per comp isn’t going to increase dps pick rates across the board unless you are only comparing the pick rates to goats meta. Idk what the heck you are talking about with that.
TBH I don’t play Competitive any more (and quit OW for a couple of years) because of the stress of bad comps and player that refuse to pick to fit team needs. I used to main Genji, and was competent to my SR in the character, but because I care about team comp I ended up as a support main. Being able to queue up in a role and have an enforced comp on matching IMO would be a huge improvement for solo queueing.
But I think it should be an option when you queue. Or even multiple options something like “strict” for 2/2/2, “varied” three of any max, at least one Tank and Support, and “free for all”.
I would prefer a SR for each heroes.
I’m saying it will give more diversity, and I make a very valid case. You say it won’t. Now, considering none of us can know who’s right, why don’t we just look at all the other pros with a role queue and realize that they outweigh the cons even without this aspect of it?
Nah dude, Not being able to choose any character or not having the ability to switch to any character will mess up the whole game.
The game is meant to be flexible and you are meant to be able to switch characters. That’s a core identity to this game and it’s awesome.
That con is such a big negative that it far outweighs all the pros you can think of.
We could use a role preference que but nothing that reduces the players the ability to play any character on any given map.
You can change within your role…
You need to deal with a Widow and have Rein, Zarya as one of your tanks? Have one of them go D.Va or Winston to dive her.
You are using Junkrat and the other team has a Pharrah?, you switch to a hitscan hero.
You are Ana and the other team´s flankers are killing you way too fast? Switch to Brig.
It’s as easy as that. You can still switch but within your role. Your whole team can do that. How is that a bad thing?
It’s a bad things because I don’t want to be restricted to just one role.
I don’t want this crap forced upon me.
You want role que so bad then go use LFG. Don’t force it upon the entire community.
Honestly, the whole thing is just selfish
”I prefer 2-2-2 Comps; therefore, all players must literally only play 2-2-2 comps from now on. Anything other than that is no longer allowed in competitive
You guys are trying to dictate the game to your liking instead of just letting people play the game.
Sweet, let’s delete Tracer and Genji too!
It’s useless to discuss with you. Look how selfish you are.
Well, sir, I respectfully disagree. What it comes down to is essentially what’s more important to you - being able to do what you want, or wanting a balanced team composition at all times. For me, when the last guy to lock in a hero picks a 3rd DPS when we only have a Zenyatta as healer, I become furious. I’m guessing you’re the kind of guy that will pick a 3rd DPS last.
I’m up for this, I think the game needs an enforced role select and one that matches your character selection to a tier in the same sr bracket as your level on that character. it might be slighltly restictive but the games right now are so horrible at least you get to play a few more games like they are supposed to be played.