I saw an Orisa once on enemy team.
She got mulched. Not even a tank.
This is why classic unlocked generally solved itself.
Everyone had broad access to tools which solved win conditions. Canāt counter-snipe? Np you can Sombra to bully or pick up another tank to mitigate. 303 (goats) was merely a byproduct of sustained brawl creep - tone that down and we could have kept classic.
Not a huge fan of 132 right now. It seems like 222 with reworks would be better (mei,doom as offtanks and sym/somb/torb as offheals). And for true flexing, nothing comes close to classic.
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When he says snipers does he mean only Hanzo/Widow or does that include Ashe too
As a Hanzo main I wouldnāt mind if 1-shots were exclusively ability based and no normal primary could 1-shot but both heroes would have to receive reworks to give them such an ability.
Widow for example could gain an overcharge ability that allows her to deal 1-shot damage on her primary for a short amount of time.
Hanzo could receive a rework to his Storm, maybe it fires just 1 arrow but it is super fast and deals normal damage (full 125/250).
So why are we assuming 1-3-2 is 100% going to be put into QP and comp?
Thatās my question.
Hadnāt thought about this, but itās a great point. Suppose these changes went live. Theyād either make QPC a mess or theyād have to have two sets of stats for characters, which isnāt a good idea long term, especially with pve also becoming a consideration eventually
Itās blizzard, so the worst is always assumed. Also weāre morons.
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Thereās a pretty high chance it will be despite being experimental since Blizzard goes back on very few changes anyway.
While I agree, I think people need to be informed on WHY snipers are strong before they go around nerfing them.
Double sniper is strong because the (presumably) Widow and Hanzo can soft flank to either side of a teamfight and create a kill zone that their tank core can corral the enemy tank core with, and it looks roughly like a āUā with the bottom of the āUā being the double snipersā tank core.
With a third sniper (Iām assuming Ashe) you can have one of your snipers (preferrably Hanzo because he is better against flankers) pull a hard flank on the enemy and change the āUā into an āOā with every engagement, and you donāt even need to corral the enemy team to get the kill zone.
The nerfs that would counter such a playstyle would likely either reduce sniperās ability to deal with flankers, who can threaten or kill a sniper and change the āOā back into a āUā. Or reduce the sniperās mobility so that it is much harder to reform the āOā if one of them gets dislodged.
This wouldnāt take away sniperās one-shot capabilities, which is integral to their core design, but it would still nerf them in such a way that triple sniper isnāt as strong.
That is true for PTR changes, but they stated over and over again in the dev update that this was just taking an interesting idea and seeing how it would play out if it were implemented.
Jeff even said they didnāt want to put this on the PTR so people wouldnāt freak out that this would be going live.
And yet here we are.
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Yes but Activision is there to keep them in checkā¦
Itās amazing how despite Jeff stating numerous times how itās just a highly experimental idea, not to panic, etc, that people are still screaming about how itās going to ruin the game as if these changes are going to go live in a couple weeks.
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Itās almost likeā¦without a Second Tank people are not protected enoughā¦huh
Ashe should be ok because she has to stay closer to the front and is reasonably counterable by a few different DPS.
Well actually having play experience in 132 that is very obvious. Too much damage coming in.
In my first game Widow got 4 headshot kills in a row.
So I donāt see any difference really.
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The bigger issue is that you canāt have a barrier tank that protects the team and a dive tank at the same time. Also, your solo tank canāt really go running all over the map to chase Widowmaker like a second tank could before.
Ashe was borderline useless, or at least her dynamite was, against Zarya. Likeā¦ Damn. You gonna let me burn it all down?
Well, you canāt get away with much dynamite, but thereās no barrier so you can doink heads.