If your tanks arent useless enable them and let the carry role which is the tank role carry. If your tanks are useless accept the loss and move on.
Dps very much can’t pop ult with nothing done from their team and kill four.
What happens when a dps pops ult with no support. A tank either a: blocks my entire ultimate with a shield with no effort or skill. B: I pick a dps that can through a shield. Zen ult, Lucio ult, bap ult, another dps solo Ults me to kill me during my ultimate.
Once again. Dps don’t need barriers. Besides mccree, Ashe, bastion. Supports and tanks need barriers.
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Yeah, supports in most games are too dependent on tanks/DPS. It really is silly to give you bad ones and expect you to carry.
If those people aren’t doing their jobs properly it makes your job 10x harder. Whereas as a DPS/Tank you have much more potential to do some solo carry. Especially DPS. Good Reapers come to mind.
Anyway, read Mox’s post on the matchmaking and you’ll see why you shouldn’t even bother with this game anymore.
I’ll use reaper as your example and tell you.
Two reapers one on each team.
Team A: roadhog, dva, zen, ana, reaper, Mei.
Team b: orisa, sigma, Lucio, Moira, reaper, Mei.
Team b. Will win easily over sixty percent of those games. Why? Lucio enables reaper and reaper can retreat back fairly easily. The other reaper without Lucio and two ult battery tanks. Will lose. He will try to go in even with a zen orb which he probably won’t get. The team will one v six him while his team stands around. The only time he will win a fight is if Mei ults with him for a team wipe.
came back after the disaster that was halloween…
going to finish my placement matches and i’m again ignoring this game… every season it gets worse!
placement as tank -> so much stupid crap (from feeding overextending moira’s to DPS solo yolo the whole damn enemy team)
me, POTG 3 times, allways behind cover, shielding where needed, won 2 out of 5 matches (all other where close except 1 where we obviously had an idiot lucio just faceplanting himself into the full enemy team…
placed lower then previous season…
support placement matches… tanks putting up bariers behind cover (or not at all) keep getting blasted of the map because poor awareness, DPS doing a bad job at everything…
place a bit higher then previous season…
now DPS placement… worst experience i’ve ever had in any game…
probably will get higher placement…
this game and it’s matchmaker is just trash…
So?
and @Bukkit
Read Mox’s post on the patent for matchmaking where they put decent people with skins in with worse people who don’t have skins to make them think the skins will make them play better/people with the skins are good.
There’s no point in playing this game.
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Indeed, the longer i play this game the worse it gets…
it’s like instead of learning, the player lose braincells 
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You can disagree but it means nothing. You are playing a different game. I can win if I go dps (because nobody get kills) and also heal, with Moira for example. I have to be on constantly on edge. Sure there are games that I can rely on others but those games are 1 of 10.
Yeh entirely possible that people are doing 100% all the time as support but I cant it is tiring and above all unfair that only this role must be always on top performance.
Check the forums and the general consensus is climbing at lower ranks is entirely (or mostly) dependant on the team. In Masters or Diamond can be different but still it is not a good system and nobody wants to play a role that is so little dependant on your performance. Nobody is saying that you cant get good and climb but in my humble opinion it is much harder than for other roles.
The climb factor (for lower levels is like this) Dps>Tank>=Support.
… there is always a shortage of support and tank players. One of the reasons (apart from popularity) is also that it is much faster to climb as a dps.
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I am flex player and I have experience with climbing on all roles. Its the same. Only difference is that some heroes can climb better than others in solo Q enviroment.
I am checking forum every day, its mostly crying topis how its impossible to climb, how team mates suck on every role, rigged matchmaker, forced loss streak, leavers and smurfs every game and other nonsense.
I would even say its harder to climb on dps as you have to be very mechanicaly skilled with most of the dps heroes. And a lot of dps hero picks have really hard life now.
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I am checking forum every day, its mostly crying topis how its impossible to climb, how team mates suck on every role, rigged matchmaker, forced loss streak, leavers and smurfs every game and other nonsense.
It is all good and well to score virtue points but what you do here is a big fat straw man dude. I hope your decision making is better in game than on forums.
The anecdote of your climbing and not complaining and being a virtuous good grinding player means nothing and it has nothing to to with what i wrote. Yes. You can do everything with enough conviction and work but that is not my point.
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I would even say its harder to climb on dps as you have to be very mechanicaly skilled with most of the dps heroes. And a lot of dps hero picks have really hard life now
Maybe. Your opinion which is as valid as mine so keep out of my hair and stop with your: I am a flex player and I climb and I am a good boy.
To be 100% fair? Blizzard devs haven’t said one way or the other that the algorithm in question is or isn’t used in Overwatch.
However, when you’re playing above your rank, consistently, and you consistently get put with teammates that are effectively in a Coma?
The game isn’t good. Sorry. Other games are where it’s at.
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Do you know if removing the skins helps? I’m trying it now. I’m not sure if they judge your spray/voice line usage too.
Welp this is my first 10 minute+ queue. LOL
You still have me lost at picking zen, why would you do that with doomfist being a meta pick, and any support outside of Moira lucio baptiste and mercy is a borderline throw pick
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Maybe in diamond +, not below.
so i guess it just doesnt apply to me then lmfao
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Idk i am talking about my experience, i climbed into diamond by one tricking zen.
He is pretty powerfull pick in metal ranks.
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Youre so clueless. Please get back in game, spam some games and watch some streams.
Then come back and edit your comment lol …
Omegalul reaper ult is terrible.
Tanks and supports are the real carry roles in this game.
Not consistently, no.
But the possibility is there. I recall one owl match where team was in 3v5 on Horizon A with two seconds left, then triple kill Junk tyre turns the match.
One button press, and some skillful maneuvering and good timing and the fight turned.
That said, tried a dps placement match last night. Held 1-0 on Anubis.
Then our attack phase. My god, the feeding. How is is so difficult to stick together behind one tank and act as a team?
We never had better than 4v6 all attack phase.
How can players, after 3 years, still be so damn stupid?
Suffice to say that I queued longer than the game lasted, and it was a gigantic waste of time.
So I won’t be bothering with dps matches anymore. Queue time is just ridiculous.
And tanking is damn miserable as well. Played support one game and our Orisa went down on Busan mech base. I followed. Rest of team went up as following the main tank and sticking together as a team is diamond+ tech apparently.
Our dps were rancid and couldn’t kill a wet paper bag.
Orisa again on fire some of the game, but constantly overwhelmed as our dps too crap to get kills or back her up.
So she just got to be a giant punch bag most of the match.