I think Rez means a lot more to Mercy than Scatter Arrow does for Hanzo and that’s the only reason it’s still around. Which just makes me upset because it’s such a dumb way to dictate balance. Can’t get rid of this ability that ruins the hero it’s on because it’s iconic. Barf.
I know, it’s just bad all around. It also doesn’t help too what they do to other hero’s that pretty much pushed Mercy to be more viable. Like saying that Moira healing though a barrier was a bug and changing it just makes Mercy another main healer more viable. Just bad choices all around.
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Ah, so one of the mass flaggers reveal themselves. Seriously, stop that garbage. You’re hurting your own cause as Jame’s explained.
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I try not to say that because it comes close to “Mercy players can’t have anything remotely complicated” which… yeah. Not something I agree with on really any metric. It wouldn’t surprise me though given how the support class in general has gone.
In a twisted way I guess her relative difficulty to punish is balanced if she can’t do all that much with her free reign? 
Not the way I’d go, and honestly I would have just waited to see how she did without nerfing her at all with those changes, it’s very likely that she fell into a good place with the game changing around her. Ana does decently against her and she’s everywhere now.
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People say a lot of things. A good Mercy will get her ultimate fast and a bad Mercy will get her ultimate in 5minutes25seconds. Same with wiping ultimates.
@TobiasAlec anyway you’ve been typing for a while and imma let you finish but we’ve been talking in circles for like two hours now and the conversation is essentially
“prove jeff won’t bring mass rez back” “no u prove people wanted 50 hp/s” “no u prove jeff won’t bring mass rez back”
So I’ll just plonk my general thoughts on Rez here if you want to reply to them. I don’t hate Mercy and enjoy playing her (4th most played overall I think??? below McCree Tracer and Zen), I just want the hero to be balanced and fun in a way that doesn’t harm the game. I won’t be replying to the revert thing anymore because it’s an infinite loop of frustration and snark
That’s the thing man. Tracer can do the same damn thing. Punish poor play, out of positioning, etc. The difference is, it typically takes a Tracer to be played by a smurf that is like 1k above the SR rating they have to actually pull that off. Takes game sense, aim, all kinds of noise.
The ability to punish people is something that needs to be earned. All things equal, there has to be legit reason as to WHY you can punish a peer in a competitive PVP based game. With some heroes, like Brigitte, it isn’t earned at all. Thus her stupid af win rates.
Her shield health, it’s regen rate, that’s the problem. Because even in situations where it’s punished and focused, she can still get away with too much. The time it takes to deplete a shield in Gold is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from Diamond. No head shot potential, really messes with flankers which are your typical “trying to climb” carries, etc.
Just a ridiculous hero design. All the toys, none of the cost.
I mean I think she was pretty objectively UP before they gave her invuln. A ladder stomper but not really relevant in organized play.
I don’t think that’s a good place for Mercy to be though and I see a lot of Mercy mains acknowledge this but want it anyway…
I mean… There are two megathreads with 18k+ comments that Blizzard said they read daily. Months go by and finally they respond (in another thread, not the official “Mercy feedback” thread that they were “Reading daily”) that “Mercy is fine and doesn’t need changes”. Which obviously was incorrect since they changed her more since then.
Maybe they should go back and finally read the huge threads that they asked for feedback in instead of ignoring it and locking it?
Re-open the Official Mercy feedback thread and these posts would stop coming up.
Yeah I totally get it. I play Tracer when I fall too far into Plat and want to climb back up no questions asked.
I could probably do the same thing easier on Brig outside of maps like Oasis where there is guaranteed to be a Pharmercy. Which feels kind of wrong imo? I do think the fact that she can just stand in front of a Soldier and tank his damage for like 7 seconds kinda stupid. Even D.Va dies faster. I think the shield should be 450 so it can be used more for spot tanking and keeping the resource up is a genuine skill you have to cultivate. This would make her more of a familiar hero for tank players instead of the weird DPS hybrid she is actually played as. (Unlike her Rein has zero offensive presence with his shield up so his form of dynamic aggression isn’t the same. Brig isn’t even dynamic since she can attack you while shielding herself)
But that would almost certainly make her UP now with her bash CD so who even knows. I am surprised they specifically acknowledged her shield health in the patch notes tho.
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I pray to God that they did not have someone that had to read through the Mercy megathread on a daily basis. That’d be so cruel… But hey, interns are meant to be tested right? 
Maybe they did…
I don’t think it’s even arguable that she was UP in the grand scheme of the things before the rework when it comes to a strictly game balance sense. She was just pubstompy, over 80% of the population is Plat and below. People need to accept that fact. The vast majority of you have RARELY if EVER played against actual meta dive for instance.
She was a glorified Pharah pocket, because number advantage is monumental in this game. That’s why mass rez had swing potential(numerical advantage) in lower tiers. That’s why in pro level it was just to bring up the Pharah. That’s why it feels so good. Accessible manipulation of the numerical advantage which basically is what decides how a game goes.
The rework is why Mercy had any relevance in Masters+. It’s why she was all over OWL. Without it, she’d be played on Pharah maps and that is it. Her ult would be Pharah coming back up. No one would comment on it, no one would care.
That is the truth of the matter.
Mass Rez’s problems has nothing to do with balance or the level of counter play or the unfunness of it all. Mass Rez had to be done away with because of the fundamental fact that 1:1-5 will always have the possibility to incentivize team mate death which is FUNDAMENTALLY AGAINST the hero and game design as a whole.
That is it.
Playing Brig feels incredibly wrong ngl. Grinding out on Brig is the best return unless you’re trying to quickly get into Masters rn imo. Even then it’s hard to argue against insta locking Brig every game if you’re wanting to climb.
2 hours to get that down. Tracer? So many hours and I still make a fool of myself or get dumpstered in a scrim.
Edit: What surprised me is they acknowledged her win rate in patch notes. I kind of appreciate that they acknowledge they thought of shield health, but I think their conclusion is just naive af.
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Do you have a link to Jeff confirming this. Yes or No?
I’ve already explained to you. Such “receipt” are unobtainable. That would require knowing every single Mercy main and their opinion on t he issue, which is impossible. Stop trying to change the subject. The link RDK, do you have it? Yes or no?
You are really pulling at straws here, and it’s really making you look bad… The link. Do you have the link that you claim Jeff said about “Mass rez never coming back”. Yes or no?
The link. Yes or no?
Do you know how Jeff balances the game? Do you have proof that everything Jeff wants automatically makes it’s way into the game? If so, I would like to see a link that documents this discovery. Thanks!
You are giving me assumptions and platitudes. I don’t care about what they “deem” I care about you proving to me that mass rez is NEVER coming back as you’ve previously claimed. Never is a permanent thing. I need actual evidence that mass res is permanently gone. That is, a statement of jeff, that you yourself made, of him saying
“Mass Res is never coming back.”
Do you have a link of him making officially making this statement. Yes or no?
All of this is irrelevant to our discussion.
The facts are this. YOU claimed with the following statement
That they aren’t going back on their word of reverting mercy. After I literally proved to you with actual links that Mercy had 50hps before (something you apparently never realized until I brought it up) and that they already reverted her, you went on a rant about how “everyone automatically assumes that it was mass res!” Which is a lie.
Not everyone thinks the same. And before you try to reiterate
You asked for just 1 example. I have 3 links to threads of people wanting to revert Mercy’s healing. Two from back in 2017, and one that directly talks about not only needing to revert her healing, but also removing rez altogether from her kit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/4wnebu/thoughts_on_mercy/d68v85y
I have completely shut down your claim with my previous sources… “gg”
Wrong. Because you can’t find any data to prove it. That is why it doesn’t exist. There are always “exceptions to the parlances people use” when discussing Mercy, as I’ve proven. Your claim on this is defunct.
“Because since this is my opinion it is automatically fact, and if you don’t agree with it, you are a liar”.
Hmmm yeah seems legit. I gave multiple sources. You have given absolutely none, yet I’m the one that’s the “liar.” But then again, apparently that’s all you have to go with, since you can’t give me any actual proof of your previous claims regarding “Mass res never coming back”.
#legitimacy
In the interest of my post above, I’m only responding to the sources you gave plus a couple of other tidbits. Not interested in talking in circles anymore.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/4wnebu/thoughts_on_mercy/d68v85y/
This is from two years ago and references Zen’s discord orb as being 50%. This hasn’t been the case since S2. Mercy was reworked in S6.
This thread is from 5 days ago, and the revert being mentioned is bringing her healing back from 50 HP/s to 60 HP/s, not the reverse.
This is closer to what I was asking for, although it should be noted this isn’t someone who was posting for #RevertMercy but someone who just wanted Mercy nerfed. Hence the downvotes.
I know Mercy had 50 HP/s healing initially? I never disputed that fact. Just that it was a meaningful application of the term revert as far as the forums are concerned. Like the only people before you who I saw considering that as a revert were trolls.
Not irrelevant. Very central to understand what Jeff said and the connotations that it carries. Mass Rez should come back (revert, if you will) at all costs. To which Jeff replied:
Again, to actually make my point you have to understand what people were meaning when they said revert. It wasn’t healing rate. It wasn’t the removal of bhop. Both of those would have been nerfs that made the hero less fun (that is the MO of a theoretical revert, no?). They wanted mass rez back.
I don’t know how many other ways I can say this tbh and we are just talking in circles. You have given me nothing to believe that Jeff was referring to anything else, as anything else didn’t come close to addressing peoples’ concerns (and a revert doesn’t even imply 50 HP/s if we grant your premise, since Mercy got that buff very early on in the game’s life). As I noted before Jeff never used the specific verbiage of Mass Rez but “revert” essentially carries the same connotation because of the state of Mercy discourse, which was even more stratified back then.
If you want to address my thoughts on Rez and Mercy I’m all ears but this is my last response to this semantic song and dance.
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There’s no way the devs haven’t read the same 5 complaints spanning 3k posts in the mega thread. They still haven’t said anything more than what they said last time because they don’t want to deal with it anymore or at least not now.
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Yeah I think they attribute the win rate a lot to the whole “people don’t know how to play against her”. Aside from having her kit automated she is everything you want in a high WR hero. Burst heals, burst damage, stuns, low mechanical requirement, hard to punish, punishes hard. Etc. She’s like playing into old Symmetra on a 2CP map where you need to outplay her hard to kill her and her team but she can kinda just wander around and accidentally get value out of a stun or boop (or just have someone die by walking into a car wash).
Because I completely destroyed your arguments. But carry on.
Um no? Mercy is mentioned at the first sentence. Please pay attention…
https://gyazo.com/f964ffdc1978c1b3199c23bd5351c74d
You never specified how far back to revert. But okay.
That is irrelevant. I’ve given you at least two valid examples. I couldn’t care less if you were looking for some pointless #revertmercy tag, or how well-recieved it was. That is completely irrelevant to the discussion, and I have proven my case.
You disputed that “everyone assumed that revert meant mass res”. I proved you wrong. Plain and simple.
You linked to a generic statement of Jeff referring to a revert of any kind.
- He never specified that it this meant EXCLUSIVELY as mass res.
- He reverted Mercy regardless, bringing her healing back to 50hps.
- YOU assuming that he meant mass res is your own problem, that’s not what was written in that post. Therefore, it is plausible to assume that mas res could return via another revert, since Jeff’s previous promise of a revert (generic) was broken. Making any other assumptions like that is subjective and cannot be proven.
Well, If anyone ever tries to assume that Jeff “actually said that Mass rez is never returning” as if it’s fact and not just their own opinion, I’ll be more than happy to remind them of how incorrectly false that is, like I’ve done just now with both facts and data. Let me know if you ever need a “refresher!” 
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After about an hour, I’ve done it again… I’ve counted the number of posts relating to Mercy over the course of 2 days. I also noticed that the number of threads complaining about Mercy spam increased today. I’m also not doing this again, I have a headache now.
| Thread Type | Number |
|---|---|
| Overall | 1220 |
| Overall Mercy | 121 |
| Non Mercy Mains & Balance | 22 |
| Mercy Mains & Balance | 36 |
| Mercy Idea (Mercy Mains & Others) | 18 |
| Revert Mercy | 5 |
| Troll | 4 |
| Miscellaneous | 24 |
| Mercy Spam Complaint | 12 |
Mercy Threads - 9.92% of threads
| Thread Type | % |
|---|---|
| Overall Mercy | 100 |
| Non Mercy Mains & Balance | 18.18 |
| Mercy Mains & Balance | 29.75 |
| Mercy Idea (Mercy Mains & Others) | 14.88 |
| Revert Mercy | 4.13 |
| Troll | 3.31 |
| Miscellaneous | 19.83 |
| Mercy Spam Complaint | 9.92 |
The 14% from earlier? That was more than usual. I didn’t even get how that was spam before, but since the number is so low over the course of a few days… I don’t think I need to say anything else.
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Yo you got faith. That’s cool. But there’s no reason to think mass rez is coming back, there is many reasons to think it won’t.
I would suggest you move on, but you seem faithful.
Hopefully you get the direct addressal of your interpretive/semantic inquiries one day. I doubt it though, as much as I doubt mass rez coming back.
There’s no reason to think that Mass rez will not come back. There are many reasons to think that it will return.
I would suggest you agree to disagree with people who hold an opinion different from you. As for me, my view will stay the same.
They’ve already reverted her healing, so the idea of a “revert never happening” is irrelevant. I wouldn’t be surprised if they revert more elements of her kit, and I await to see what they are.
You have doubts, I do not. My opinion is not changing, and I assume yours isn’t either so we will agree to disagree on that, simple as that.
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