Counters to Dive please

[Gamma-12669]

Adding some potential to characters/compositions that are currently extremely weak isn’t forcing anything, just attempting to improve balance. It would take much more extreme changes than that to force dive into the meta.

I couldn’t have said it better myself. Thanks

[Jaxtaro-1120]

Last time was, what? Dive or lose for a year and a half?

In Masters/GM only was dive actually played. I cant tell you how many plat/diamond teams went “Let’s go dive” and played the chokepoint with Dva/Winston/Tracer/Genji.

This isnt the same game. A Brig will still provide enough armor to make dive plenty harder, and a Sigma/Zarya/Sombra/Sym/Brig/Baptiste team can probably counter any dive assault.

[PabloPenguin-11160]

How about making Brig usable especially now that her kit is more fair? Make it so dive doesnt counter her anymore please…

[Cnflagration-1760]

Rip s5, ill miss you.

[LegitBoss-11676]

Dive is dead as Disco.

[Shimada-12784]

Since you’re forcing Dive meta again, can we actually have a counter to it this time? Last time was, what? Dive or lose for a year and a half?

You actually have the opportunity to make a counter comp to Dive before it becomes “Dive or lose” again. Please don’t do another year or more of “Dive or lose”.

Supports are already looking pretty bad for variety. Buffed Dive against Ana or Zen? Yikes that sounds incredibly unfun. Moira and Baptiste nerfed. Brig sucks. Sooo what are we left with? Lucio and Mercy? Ugh.

Dive is superior to Rein Zarya, Orisa is nerfed and Hog only really works with an Orisa. So 2 maybe 3 Tanks being viable. It’s not looking good so far as far as counter play to Dive goes.

Then for DPS you have the incredibly annoying Tracer, Genji, Widow, and Hanzo as the viable DPS. So even less fun for Tanks and Supports.

Please use this first ever opportunity to actually get the game a bit more balanced.

The counter is to be at a rank below Master.

I’m sure you can do it. I have confidence in you.

[Devilljho-1112]

Do you have any data to back that? Because a lot of people love to make claims like these without anything to back it up. Percentages based off you pulling numbers out of the air is not factual nor valid.

[Naz-11562]

Since you’re forcing Dive meta again

They’re not.

You actually have the opportunity to make a counter comp to Dive before it becomes “Dive or lose” again

Deathball.

Ana

…Is OP.
Zenyatta was literally a dive staple, even moreso than Lucio.

aybe 3 Tanks being viable

Wow that’s basically more than right now!
Tank balance is such disgusting garbage right now.

[Sylhiri-1495]

They keep saying they don’t force metas. Those patch notes are a complete coincidence.

[Poytheon-1466]

How about making Brig usable especially now that her kit is more fair? Make it so dive doesnt counter her anymore please…

Dive most definitely does not counter Brig lol. Brig is still great against dive.

[umbrulla-1865]

lol dive is based tho

[Wabba-11628]

Because it’s not true at all?

Pretty sure that is statistically incorrect. People still played Rein quite a bit, because Dive was pretty difficult. Reinhardt was an easier option.

What we have now is far worse. Bunker/Double barrier is imo, the easiest thing ever and the most effective.

[Lumin-1385]

I’m not the guy you replied to, but Jeff posted on the forums during dive saying that it wasn’t played below Masters. And there was a separate post giving the competitive tier distribution. GM was 1% of the player base and Masters was 3%. So, they said 97% never played dive. The actual number is 96%. Very close though.

And I don’t have the historical pick rates, but dive was the most diverse meta. I will back them up on that. I don’t remember specific numbers, but the pick rates at lower ranks were really well balanced. And even higher up there was more counterplay than with bunker, double shield, or Goats.

[Devilljho-1112]

Do you know where I can find this post?

[Jåsz-2644]

Pretty sure that is statistically incorrect. People still played Rein quite a bit, because Dive was pretty difficult. Reinhardt was an easier option.

No, you just couldn’t play Rein on specific maps, but on KR he was good yeah.

[Lumin-1385]

So, here are a few links that I was able to. These are old because they were from the old days.

• Jeff’s dive rant
  Overwatch Forums
• tier distribution post
  Competitive Mode Tier Distribution
• an interview with Fran from this year where he repeats the general idea that dive wasn’t played in lower ranks.
  https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/ae21h8/jeff_kaplan_destroys_plat_and_below/

That’s all I could find.

[Amanda-13760]

They buffed two dive heroes and Lucio’s speed while nerfing double shield…feels like forcing a dive meta to me

Or perhaps theyre just trying to balance the game so theres more than just a few viable heroes to choose from.

[SadHag-2954]

I 100% agree. Maybe Blizzard should consider making a hero against dive. Maybe the hero could have a shield, stun, and gives shield. Maybe we can call her Torbette or Brigi…oh wait.

[Dumpster-11918]

https://www.omnicmeta.com/blog/overwatch_hero_meta_report_pc_mar_22_2018.html

[XEgKPa6-2193]

It was diverse only thanks to Moth Mercy, if it wasn’t her Dive would have been stale af (and prior to her rework it was stale). Other than that, what diversity it had? Tracer-Genji as DPS? Winston-D.va as tanks? Yeah, so diverse.