I’ve seen this said quite a few times now and this is false.
Her healing was buffed after the game’s release. if I remember rightly, it was November 2016.
She was buffed to specifically rival Ana for a slot on the team (we’ve gone full circle now).
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Just to make him completely non viable.
Blizz listen to whiners and there were a lot of complaints towards Baptiste. Especially ones about his DPS and Lamp.
They just additionally nerfed his healing to make sure ppl pick him much less so the whiners can have some relief.
They’ve been doing so for quite some time
Doesn’t excuse her from being poorly applicable with most of the ingame heroes besides all dps comps which we can’t do due to 222.
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About the argument raw healing would push other main healers out of the meta:
How about giving main healers valuable utility you want in certain comps? Like Ana has
Well, he fires more than one shot per second, so pre-heal nerf Bap could get 75 HPS in ideal conditions from his RMB alone. Now it’s 62.5 HPS in ideal conditions.
What stings for me is that they nerfed the charge rate of his ult, but then didn’t revert that after they then went on to nerf his healing afterwards. Also, that they didn’t buff his fistpump, which has always been on the naff side because IF takes up a chunck of his power budget. Oh well. I’ll keep on truckin’.
Everyone always says that Mercy shouldn’t heal more because she’s consistent, conveniently forgetting she’s the only support in the game that can not do two actions at the same time. That alone is a huge drawback people are all too willing to overlook… not to mention that she’s the only main support who can’t increase her healing despite having the lowest hps.
It makes sense that if you can only do one thing at a time you should at least be pretty damn good at it.
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I dont think thats what she needs imo. Her healing is fine. The problem is her kit is contradictory to her intended design. Valkyrie removes virtually all of her weaknesses and turns her into something she should no be: an aoe healer. If anything it should just drastically buff her main beam, theres a reason the idea was scrapped early on and its because it removed a weakness of hers. On top of that, she still has resurrect on a cooldown which is more powerful and has the same problems that caused them to buff the original resurrect; it encourages hiding, and forces mercy t stop healing altogether. With a healer meant to be so mobile, having this ability that completely halts that, really ruins her fluidity for me.
I understand its the way they balanced it, but if it has to be that way, I prefer it be removed. Seeing its used on average 7 times in the course of a game, that doesnt seem like something “iconic” or part of the core gameplay of a hero.
I think before they ever added the cast time, they shouldve tried removing the interaction resurrect had with valkyrie. I feel that a 30 second cooldown was enough of an offset, the problem was that valkyrie allowed cooldown refreshes and lower cooldowns. They went straight from giving it the charge system while allowing instant cast in valkyrie with a cast time outside when I think they should have tried leaving it instant as it was, but remove how it interacted with valkyrie so that it would be a 30 second cooldown.
Its not something i can see them doing now, just because of how op itll look to many people, but seeing so many mercys die just the same way as with the orginal pre-invulnerability rez, whether right before or after the rez and occasionally having the person they resurrected just die again is a bit disappointing. The thing is, when the rework hit a lot of people thought it would be better to play against than mass rez until they realized that mercy could rez just as many in a game without having the stipulation of needing them all to die within 10 seconds of each other or in 15 meters of each other.
To me, the best way to justify this, is to do what any proposed and swap resurrect back to her ultimate (single target instant cast) that can charge quickly but still on average 30 seconds (no pooling charges, you get it and you can use it or not) to justify it being instant, and have valkyrie on her e as a lower cooldown and less duration with no chain beams.
Basically
Resurrect moved to her ultimate (with the beautiful resurrect icon that looks so much better than what it is now since they moved the wing part of it to Valkyrie’s icon) and made instant cast.
Valkyrie moved to an ability, chain beams removed, infinite ammo removed, regeneration unimpacted by damage removed, guardian angel max distance reduced, cooldown at 12-15 seconds, with duration of 3 seconds or something like that
New functionality: Still increases healing from 50-60, but also applies damage boost to the target (since no more chain beams).
To me this would make her so much more fluid to play and maintain her strength and weaknesses that valkyrie eliminates.
WHile i would rather they remove valkyrie and resurrect altogether to make her better, this is a compromise I can take (particularly since its odd to have as a base ability something that can only function on a dead teammate, on a long cooldown, that forces you into a standstill, and stops you from taking other actions, and cannot be cancelled).
I dont think I need to put a disclaimer, but this is my opinion on what they should do. I think her healing is fine as it is, even if its likely bloated statistically because of Valkyrie’s chain beams.
I made another post a while back that goes into way more detail of how I see Mercy that is still accurate to this day if you have 15 minutes to spare:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/yet-another-mercy-thread/355676
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Its been tossed around but if you do the math its really insane. RIght now at 50hps, she heals squishies for 25% of max health, if you apply that to a 500hp tank, shed heal for 125 a second. If anything they could play around doing something like what WoW restoration shamans have as a mastery, where their healing is based on the health of the ally they are targeting, with lower health allies being healed for more.
That see’s little to no usage in the league - a place where their is good teamwork and competant teamates - things that she relies on because she’s now an enabler and little else. Back on ladder, with a lot of work you can use her in the higher tiers but in low ranks she flat out is just rubbish.
Nope.
They’re trying to reduce power creep, not make it worse. The other healers are being brought in line with Mercy, not the other way around.
The problem with “consistant” is it doesn’t work - it’s outdated - virtualy all the dps characters have insta kills or spam that outputs more she can posibly even dream to cope with in a burst. Soldier is her dps equivelant, he suffers from the same problem that consistant damage just doesn’t cut it anymore. That’s why they now had to lower his helix rocket cooldown.
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She still can heal through barriers - her orb can pass through and does more healing than Mercy. She also has an answer to burst damage and it is not very hard to manage moira’s resources. She can also heal more than one person at a time without having to pop an ult.
I would rather test a 45 heal before 55.
Especially post heal nerfs for moira and Baptiste.
Mercy should get more utility emphasizing and less heal beam . If ya want the gud heals… That should be Moira. Just like if ya want da good shields, you go rein and not orisa.
Orisa is good in her kit. But she isn’t rein .
As an Mecry main I have to say most of the time I have to swop off her I want to win. That stiil goes down as a win for Mercy even though if I hadn’t swopped to Brig or another healer the game would have otherwise been a loss. It’s only realy the top 13% of the player bsae that can do anthing with her beause she is totaly dependant on teamwork - she has no real plays of her own to make that could save a bad situation.
Most of the time it isn’t safe to perform a res when it counts, and even if you do successfully pull it off it has a stupid long time on cooldownd where basicaly your abiity is useless and other characters - even the ones with long cooldowns get way more use (and impact) out of their abilitys.
To put things in context, a granny with one eye, no mobility, a reload and is hampered by barriers out performs Mercy.
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She’s hardly a flex support when she can only just keep dps up reliably, has 0 utility outside damage boost and doesn’t have a defensive ultimate, or any ultimate really. Valkyrie doesn’t have the power it used to have, which is completely fine; the nerfs it had at the time were warranted and needed. But it wasn’t ever balanced to work with the majority of her kit, it was balanced around rez. Rez is now crap, so Valkyrie is now crap, and as it never did much for her base kit anyway that’s still as mediocre as it always was. The only good things about Valkyrie is the mobility it gives Mercy and the constant self regen.
If she had more utility and a defensive ultimate, I’d agree with you by calling Mercy a flex support. But her overall lack of utility and main support sustain ultimate stops her from doing that. She has the kit of a main support but is balanced as an off support.
This, and rez, is holding Mercy back; until the real problem is addressed (Resurrect), Mercy will remain in this limbo state of being a mess of a hero with nothing to offer either side of the spectrum in terms of decent healing and decent utility.
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So you want to ner fher healing even more? and what utility - both baptiste and orisa’s damage boost can be used by multiple teamates including themselves and they have other abilitys that are realy good. Or were you reffering to res which is so clunky and just plain garbage these days. All the other healers output better damage and barring zen all of them output aoe or burst healing at a way higher level. Zen at least has an deefensive ult - the other main healers except for Moira have way more utility tools and tricks in their kit and moira can at least do her job - which is heal. Their are plenty of dps with utilty (mei’s wall for instance) why do we need the heaing role then?
I’ve come to the realization that a lot of Mercy players just actually do not like her very much…
Constantly devaluing her kit, living in comparison to other supports…
I think she has quite a lot to work with and imo, she is better suited to aid her team than just heal. And imo, the best mercies are not heal reliant.
And mercy herself, seems to do better overall when she isn’t heal reliant.
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The absolute bulk of the playerbase resides below diamond - with diamond and above only making up 13% of the playerbase. Diamond and above is also the only place where you are going to find meangifull teamwork which as you rightly say is what mercy needs to perform right - and even then you could argue while you can technicaly make her work in top tier it doesn’t mean she’s in a good place or that just about any other healer would have performed just as good if not better.
(with all the de ranking going on -gold, silver and bronze ae starting to look the same these days)
I’m still curious as to what utility she provides that other characters don’t provide better? You right we don’t like the limp, watered down version of our character (and no I not suggesting going back to the moth meta - nobody wants that).
As for Mercy players constantly comparing her to other healers, I only need to point you to this forum and you will see that supporters of every character in every role whine, complain and compare their character to others so I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here other than avoiding backing up your statement that mercy offers more utility than healing?
They barely use her inthe league, and most streamers just say you can still use her in certain cases - and then proceed to prattle on for ten minute on the roles of other healers in various comps and stratergys that never use nor need a Mercy.
I agree that ladder and higher tier players like owl are separate. But I think that means you can’t use both to argue a point.
Imo, owl doesn’t like Mercy Moira and brig and so they will find any way to avoid these heroes at any cost despite preferring their style or play for the team over ana and zen … Who cares about Baptiste
They do but not in the same way.
Brig players don’t ask for a dmg boost or flight. But you yourself compared Zen to mercy based off his ultimate.
You want Moira healing. But zens ult. And Ana’s utility.
Because you reject that dmg boost is value. Or that rez is wholly unique and despite a better play history than baptiste , you want that sweet Baptiste spot
But how? How is she limp? This is a better mercy than launch. Her launch state is worse in base kit than live. And her ult is less niche so she’s statistically better.
So what is it? MOIRA is a watered version of herself from her launch. Baptiste. Zen??
Not mercy.
You can’t have it all.
Mercy has a fluidity and mobility , a constant no pause dmg boost, and rez.
That’s all good. And unique to her.
She cannot have Zen’s ult and Moira heals. She cannot have Ana utility burst power and keep it constant and fluid.
It doesn’t work
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