I still find it much easier to counter Phara with sentry Bastion then Soldier. That lack of spread is a fearsome thing. Sure, positioning has to be better to make up for the lack of mobility. If you can play primarily in recon and pick moments of opportunity to sentry, Bastion is a fearsome thing. Also, he melts shields far better then Soldier every will, giving him the leg up in most fights in my opinion. Just park out of spawn door, melt shields. Easy 1st cap with a little support.
Sentry has the opposite of a lack of spreadā¦? It has one of the worst spreads in the gameā¦
Yes, he kills shields quickly, but soldier does it much more safely. He can hide behind map cover, whereas Bastion canāt (in Sentry mode). Plus, Soldier is much better at killing whatās behind the shield, which is much more important to winning a teamfightā¦
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Soldier is useless against shields. Pretty much every GM guide on Soldier says heās wasted shooting shields. Bastion out of spawn only has to walk like 50ā even if he gets picked. With a good position and narrow lines of site, heās devastating on attack on any first point of any 2CP.
Youāre not accounting for the enemy team paying attention to you, and how easy he can be shut down or disrupted by a pretty large margin of heroes.
A Bastion is a number one target to take down because of his DPS and how easy it is to close the distance between you and him or to pick him off at a range like most heroes are capable of doing.
But if you have a narrow line of sight, then you arenāt hitting the shield, because youāre hitting whatever is blocking most of your line of sight.
Soldier isnāt great at breaking shields, but he does it more safely than Bastion. Plus, you can just bring along a Junkrat or Spamzo for shields, theyāre much better at killing whatās behind the shield than Bastion tooā¦
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Iād be fine if they got rid of Recon Mode and Bastionās config tank ultimate, replacing Recon Mode with a big AOE cannon ball that does not have slash damage fall-off but does pretty low damage, and then give Bastion some other transformation for his ultimate.
I wouldnāt because there would be absolutely no need to go to the extremes to change Bastionās core like that. You may as well make another hero if you want to go that route, what purpose would it even have in the game to begin with.
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How would he walk?
And he doesnāt need such a drastic change. His kit is fine other than being encouraged to stay in Sentry too longā¦ if they do something like remove the passive damage resist, and either allow Ironclad to overheal Bastion with armor when at full health (using self-repair), or make self-repair apply Ironcladās damage resist in all forms, heād be in a much better spotā¦ (and buff/revert Sentry in both of those)
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Also, they should reduce Bastionās potential damage and in-turn, decrease his spread so he is more accurate.
Iām fine with thatā¦ Iāve suggested reducing his damage to 12, adding headshots back, and adding a 1.25x multiplier to barriers (to keep him at 450 against them). That also comes with either a spread revert, or copy/parting Hammondās spread (which is pretty close to what his old spread was, but slightly different)
Iād like to test him without it, but if they really want to reduce his damage output, this is a better way of doing it than the spread increase/headshot removal they gave himā¦
People say torbjorn and symmetra are niche but the truth is theyāre just underpowered and so is bastion, a hero with the lowest win rate in the game while simultaneously having the lowest pick rate in the game should not be called niche.
Iād say actually niche characters would be pharah or orisa.
Itās true that reaper should be looked at and it would probably be easier to start there but if they always do the easy things then the hard things would never get done, i think 2 years has been plenty of wait time and at least the devs acknowledge reaperās existence but they have not mentioned bastion in any forum post or any interview within all this time that heās been this weak.
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The reason I want him to not do so much damage is because of how fast he can shred barriers. Going 4 DPS and shooting from long range/flanking or going 4 tanks and rushing him down is the best way to play against him and itās just not a great thing to have something like this be the case.
He still takes quite a while to break though themā¦ 4.5 seconds for Rein, 2 seconds for Orisaās shield, and she normally has two of themā¦ plenty of time for the shielding team to react and deal with the Bastion. I suggest Pharrah or Junkrat from somewhere safe.
If heās not going to be good at shields, then he needs to excel at dealing with enemies. Otherwise, heāll be completely uselessā¦
Well I said not as good at taking out shields, he would still excel at it. Also, it isnāt just Bastion shooting at the shields, itās him and the rest of his team.
Honestly i feel like they could remove his ironclad ability altogether since it was basically a bandaid compensation after his original changes and it wasnāt very well implemented, and in exchange they could reduce his spread as you said and maybe improve his dps in some way along with a new ability since he has room for one.
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And itās you and the rest of your team shooting at the Bastionā¦
Bastion should force a tactic change if youāre not prepared for him, thatās what keeps the game healthy and interestingā¦
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I just want the devs to do SOMETHING! Doesnāt matter if his abilities or ultimate changes or number tweaks. Heās been sitting at the bottom for way too long and itās beyond ridiculous.
He has room, but no real need for one if Sentry gets revertedā¦ if they simply didnāt touch Sentry with his rework (apart from transform times, but Iām not sure if that really counts), he would be perfect. Probably still F tier, but thatās fine because people just donāt like his playstyleā¦
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Buffing him is not a solution. Lower ranks already have trouble with him. He needs a rework.
Lower ranks need to learn how to deal with him.
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