To start off, the drop from 4k to 3445 is exactly what fueled my heart to write this post 
Of course you’re going to see some Baps, but that does not mean he is playable. As people say, numbers don’t lie. You ever wanna see how a hero is performing? look at the stats.
The original post explains exactly me and my friends’ experience with playing Bap this season. Yes, people still pick Bap, me being one of them, but he is way too far from being an acceptable character at this point.
Ok if you think bap is so bad. What would you do to him that doesnt make him overpowered?
The state bap was in I believe it was season 19 to 20 was BROKEN. His damage was the same as soldier (if soldier didnt have helix) and his immortality had 250 health on a 20 second cooldown. Something that one could put behind corners. Therefor making it impossible for people to break it without flanking or being: example pharah.
He is able to do so many things as a support. I think if we were to buff him this would have to be done in a very careful manner.
Firstly:
I’m not in this to prove you wrong, remember. I’m in this because I want to make a collage of people whining about skill. 
Secondly since you didn’t answer this question:
I’m going to be smart and not waste time to compile evidence to entertain you. I’ll be honest, I usually like getting analytical when it comes to games, but I get the feeling that I’m going to be putting in more work proving my point, and you’re just going to respond with “See, I knew I was right! You’re stupid!”
Hitting the reply button is easy. Playing matches in OW and tracking down old forum complaints of Baptiste is much more time consuming.
I agree with you. If he was to be buffed, his healing and damage should remain untouched because we can all agree that these are not the problems. The rest of his kit however feels way underpowered.
My suggestions were mentioned above:
Didnt see it as it was not in ur orignal post i suggest you edit it to mention this. As it was a comment you stated a few posts later.
I think these are fair points you have regarding a buff. I however think that all 3 of them would be far too much. If all were given we’d see the same thing that happened to genji. Overpowered to then nerfed. Which in a sense wouldnt be too bad. Considering that genji kept some of the buffs he was given.
Giving bap 1 or 1.5 (some of what u mentioned but not to an insanely strong degree) could make him better but not broken. I think doing such would cause little harm. Genji is in an OK place rn, yet not being meta.
Hi,
I admire you for playing gm at such a high level of play. Baptiste player here too , and I was playing him all last night, trying my best to adapt to the changes. Even when I felt I was busting my butt and doing my best it was barely enough.
All the work for little reward for that hero.
It has me pretty torn up too. I hope blizzard can work toward fixing this hero on next experimental.
I dedicated a lot of time to learning that hero and getting to a top 500 with him on PS4. He is a train wreck and sadly not enough people play him to be advocates for him or say what he needs.
Here’s a post I thought had done good quality of life buffs.
There was some talk on the forums a day back about increasing projectile speed. I thought that might be a good idea.
I also think potentially switching his IF with his amp matrix (and adjusting Accordingly might be an idea I’d try.)
No you are very wrong. Baptiste is worse. Far worse. Brig is still playable but difficult. Baptiste is barely playable. All brig really needs desperately is her hp back. Baptiste needs a freakin paddle and maybe a boat.
I doubt you even play baptiste. The fact that this many people upvotes this is sick. Get your facts straight please.
And before you think I’m just a brig hater I play brig too actually more than baptiste. I can make brig work more times than not. I can’t get baptiste to work as well.
Zarya rein was never his go to tanks. Baptiste’s favored tank is Orisa and preferable another shield.
Uh huh.
So you aren’t capable of doing so, got it.
I literally, and thoroughly explained why I’m not. In case you didn’t read it and just skimmed for quotes.
If you had just responded back “No, I won’t move the goalpost; you can get your evidence in whatever game mode you want”, you’d be watching a video of me playing as both Baptiste and Ana right this second.
dont blame ana for baps downfall blame blizzard, theyre sadists for what they did to bap
Trends are changing, and as expected, Baptiste would struggle if players aren’t playing in a death-ball like composition anymore. 50 healing per shot area effect barely keeps up with Zenyatta’s own healing orb, and offensively, Baptiste isn’t particularly good with how difficult his LMB is to fire and aim with.
Regen Burst can’t be brought back up to 30 healing per second, otherwise it just eclipses Inspire/Crossfade, but 75 total healing is a bit on the weak side, even if Baptiste gets the full 150.
At this point, it just isn’t Baptiste’s meta and there’s not much they can do to improve him other than fixing him up offensively. Amp Matrix isn’t going to win any awards as an ultimate ability when there’s already so many other damage-increasing abilities available on other Supports.
They can’t, it’s already too strong as it is;. lowering the cooldown would just leave it ripe for abuse.
This may be the best option overall. Going back to late summer 2019’s fire rate must address some issues, but I think they’re just need to examine the gun’s recoil/climb and/or bring back the 2 missing healing ammo.
You have to buff his damage, but allowing easier attempts at landing said damage may improve his viability. His healing isn’t much harder than Ana’s (and in typical parses, it appears Baptiste is landing his healing shots more accurately than Ana, either way). Returning to 12 ammo shots wouldn’t hurt, but I don’t think it’s going to help too much either. And boosting his healing back up to 60 per shot may end up being overkill to the point where teams will start to build around him again.
Statistics cannot tell you everything.
It’s already been boosted in duration and width and it can come up pretty regularly. It’s just not a reliable ultimate no matter how you look at it. There’s just too much damage-boost alternatives that aren’t ultimates and aren’t locked in place.
Tweaking this anymore would just cause problems. Short of re-tooling it, there’s not much more they can do.
It already jumps higher than Doomfist’s Uppercut, and competes with Genji’s Swiftstrike. Making it jump even higher wouldn’t really improve him, either way. Reducing charge time even further doesn’t seem like it would help, either and it’s already seen reductions.
Moira has area effect healing, and recent changes to her damage biotic orb have made her slightly more threatening. Healing Biotic Orbs are still just as strong and viable as they always have been, so Moira doesn’t need to be everywhere, even if her healing power has declined.
This was always going to be a problem if the trends changed on Baptiste and it did and the outcome was obvious, he would struggle. Reducing Regen Burst’s healing had to be done, but it was a balancing the possibility of misses from his basic shots, and evened out his overall healing. We can’t really revert Regen Burst, so we would have to look at his offensive potential, and there is something there, but it’s very difficult to rely on.
Baptiste can play with any Tank, it was never a challenge to heal Tanks for him, but rather single targets or in heavily spread out formations.
It’s already pretty fast, and fairly long distance. 3 meter explosion radius tends to be one of the widest explosions available (not even Junkrat, Zarya or Pharah get it this good), making it even bigger couldn’t hurt, but I don’t think it would help him overall.
His Ultimate has never really been very good compared to some others. In terms of healing, it can be easy to mess up, but that’s why he had Regen Burst as an “equalizer” to keep his healing steady. We can’t really return it back to 30 healing per second for 5 seconds; as that level of healing is just so far above everything else in the game at the moment.
Since one person can pop IF it’s basically useless and on a long cooldown (counterproductive). At least Mercy resurrect has a chance to be useful. Ana is better solo heals and Moira has better group heals. Bap’s whole purpose was IF and everyone hated it. Go figure he got the Brig/Mercy treatment.
bro you might want to stop you’re just embarassing yourself
No he doesnt need more damage he is fine as he is with the current damage potential he has. I played only 2 hours of him back when he was at the peak of meta in double shield. Guess what? Got from 3.5k to 3.8k on support with him in that short amount of time. I do not think reverting his damage back to what it was (if not better than how it was is the solution).
I know you cannot see my playtime on bap on this acc (i got other ones this is my otp).
Solution imo: Make his healing a bit faster than it currently is, and for Blizzard to realise more proper tutorials for characters. It can be very hard to learn to hit Baps shoots of healing and his hitscan weapon. If one does not truly know how they function.
Whoa, sorry. I missed a word there. I meant to say “You wouldn’t have to buff his damage, but allowing easier attempts at landing said damage may his viability.”
His damage was never buffed, but his fire rate was improved over the summer. There were concerns about his sustained output rivaling Soldier’s, but not understanding why Soldier’s damage is burst-oriented (as many damage heroes tend to be) versus Baptiste’s sustain.
That wasn’t it. Soldier’s cooldown reduction of Helix Rocket was to keep it competitive with the newly introduced damage-role hero, Echo, and her 6-second Sticky Bombs.
Traditionally, Support weapons have tended to be easier to use and manage over other weapons from the Damage-role. Baptiste is an aberration to this and he’s the first hero to have recoil on his basic fire wherein no other hero in the game has it. Removing the spread and increasing the fire rate was never given an explanation for why they did (other than maybe just as an experiment), but when they reverted the fire rate to launch state, they kept the spread removal. His gun is slightly better now than it was back in launch.
Making it easier to aim and land shots wouldn’t really hurt Baptiste, especially when his shots are still harder to aim than the more offensively minded Zenyatta; or the defensively minded Moira and Brigitte.
There’s not much they can do to make it “faster” as it already travels at an incredibly fast pace with a lower fire rate than Ana’s. They could revert the healing to 60, or bring the ammo back up to 12, but I’m not completely sure they would fix issues where he doesn’t fit into the current meta.
Arrogance is not good to have in a proper discussion as it only shows that one does not want to have a proper civil conversation.
I don’t think i need to add more onto this. If you’re good at bap at decent at aiming one will be able to put damage out. Its not even about aim in my opinion, its more about knowing the distance his bullets go before they start doing less damage. Not to forget the spray pattern I already mentioned.
Firerate makes damage better and more. Therefor buffing a chars firerate is the same as buffing a chars damage. It goes hand in hand.
Ur right baptiste does actually do more damage than Soldier during such burst. It is also far easier to hit than Soldiers. I don’t have complains though Im ok with that.
It was it trust me I made complaints on the forums regarding it being the only difference and wow how do u know right after I complained he got a buff. Sure it probably wasnt the soul reason. I know that bap had a huge impact on this buff though as well as double shield and goats.
Yes and therefor we should make every support far better at doing both damage and healing. Why should we even play soldier? we got bap he can do all soldier can but better. I disagree on this viewpoint.
It probably was to test out as they always do with any char or meta for that matter. It is in a way done to balance the game better in the future. Even though they know how the chars function they wont know how they truly play out in game. so they test it out, but without double shield bap will never be as effective as he was. Thats just kind of how it is. Buffing his damage (or firerate same thing) is not the solution. Spread also goes into whether or not a char does little or much damage.
Sure is harder to hit than Moira or brig yes.
I think 55, faster healing and a different form of movement would be the solution
Edit: maybe 55 is a bit too much if we increase his healing firerrate too.
We don’t want what happened with mccree to repeat itself. A good example of what happens when firerate gets increased I might add. Fire rate as a buff can often be better than a simple damage buff.
I think the real issue with Bap’s ultimate is that there isn’t an off healer that can utilize it’s bonus healing. That’s where it lacks compared to other support ults, it’s used mostly for damage boosting rather than healing because it’s so much more reliable to do that.
THIS.
I honestly cannot think of any healer than can make use of it other than Ana, and if you’re going to run 2 main healers you’re going to be in a disadvantage.
I just imagined a bap ult the size of Reims shield. And now I want that.
I feel like it could be good to reduce damage of enemies that shoot through it. It could be situational but he could help against protect the president/ bunker comps with that change too